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Post by Zandrovia on May 6, 2011 11:50:51 GMT 10
Greetings From Zandrovia,
Reading a recent post that touched upon this issue, I was curious as to what approaches to Health Care your individual nations are taking/plan to take both in the practical administrative sense as well as your particular national philosophies on the matter.
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Post by George on May 6, 2011 14:58:19 GMT 10
Our current approach to health issues might best be summarised as "don't get sick".
I don't believe any micronation possesses the capacity to deliver health services any more sophisticated than prayer and sugar pills - so the issue is really moot.
Personally, I support the notion of socialised medicine in the real world, as practised in Europe and Australia.
The US approach is just plain lunacy.
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Post by rareearth on May 6, 2011 15:21:02 GMT 10
Being a quite sensible person, and realising the following... - There are a limited number of Ummoagians for the time being
- Even fewer of them are MDs, DOs, DCs, NMDs, NDs, PhDs, MHs, CNs, RNs, CNMs, RMs, PMs, EMTs or FRs
- The practice of any health care modality is (illegitimately and illogically) turned into a medical monopoly
- Telemedicine services have barely begun, and yet most physicians are probably incapable of providing any real health advice through telemedicine, lacking the real didactic and interpersonal skills that are, or should be, the province of real Doctors (before physicians corrupted the term, the term 'doctor' meant 'teacher')
- It doesn't make sense to run your own Internet; to be able to baptise and marry legally; to cultivate your own vegetables, figs, strawberries, blueberries and blackberries; and then to depend entirely on imported health services, at least outside of rare emergencies
...I founded the Fifth World Health Organisation (5WHO), which now has 7, soon-to-be 8 members. The 5WHO quite wisely does not discriminate against NDs, PhDs, MHs, CNs, or RMs, and it does discriminate against MDs, DOs, DCs, NMDs, RNs, or CNMs who belittle or harass the former. The facts are that most licensed physicians know little or close to nothing about nutrition, natural/holistic health care, and the real causes of disease. Most registered or experienced naturopaths, or other holistic health care specialists, know little or close to nothing about emergency health care, trauma, and surgery. The 5WHO is about everyday/preventive/maximum health care and well-being, not emergency/pathological health care. It is about economical health care, not services too expensive and/or ineffective for everyday use. The 5WHO recognises all drugless, surgery-free, and noninvasive naturopathic modalities without prejudice. To sum it up, it makes sense to gain some First Aid-CPR-AED skills for emergencies. I gained that certification when I used to work with children in a NYC nonprofit community organisation which had an after-school program. Yes, these skills can be helpful on rare occasions. The skills of a Wilderness First Responder, EMT and Paramedic can also make the difference between life and death in extreme or unusual conditions. I'm a member of the Wilderness Medical Society for that reason, and I also recommend two good self-help manuals for every micronation's library ( manual a, manual b). And yes, you may need the skills of a medical specialist or surgeon at some time in your life. However, you'll need a lot of money for that, unless you have access to socialised medicine, and the US, and most other countries around the world (oops.., reality check!), have nothing approaching the socialised medicine available in countries like Australia, Canada, Israel, and the UK. Advanced and genuinely global medicine starts with caring about your rights (at least under Cesidian law you are treated like a Child of God, not as the subject/citizen of a parasitical state); as a consequence of caring about your rights you start caring about yourself; and finally, you care to get an autodidactic education about natural health and optimal nutrition, and you seek the advice of good naturopathic/holistic health care specialists for anything you know little or nothing about. The last time I have sought the care of my physician, he complained that I had not visited his office in 4 years. I guess this means that I'm practicing Cesidian Salubriology quite well. This does not mean, however, that I don't spend hundreds of dollars each month on natural vitamins, minerals, trace minerals, essential fatty acids, herbs, probiotics, etc. This simply means that as a consequence of my health philosophy/knowledge I'm healthy most of the time; my mind is also sharp as a tack most of the time; and I'll setup an appointment with my local physician only when I see something unusual or unexplainable. There are some people who criticise me because I still live with my mother. Well, I'm not married, because apparently everyone either had an ugly or temperamental sister! Yet all these critics have no idea how healthy my mother is because I make sure she gets everything she needs, from A to Z, to remain healthy! Even my licensed physician admits I'm doing a great job, and the last time she visited our doctor, he gave her melatonin instead of (artificial and dangerous) prescription sleeping pills. This is really a micronational philosophy to health care, since it emphasises independence, rather than dependence.
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Post by Zandrovia on May 6, 2011 16:08:43 GMT 10
The US approach is just plain lunacy. I could not possibly agree with you more. Of course I think the US's approach to nearly everything could be described that way as well As we hold health care to be a basic human right, we also support the idea of the socialized approach; however, we also strongly believe in a natural approach and preventative care as well, something woefully lacking in the US. Most ailments and illnesses could be easily prevented and/or treated with natural methods without all of the harmful side effects of synthetic drugs. The American Diet is a prescription for disaster! If you have ever had the opportunity to see the movie MindWalk the point about preventative care is made quite well (along with several other things).
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Post by sogoln on May 6, 2011 20:09:08 GMT 10
We have several physicians in our community. Does it count?
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Post by Zandrovia on May 6, 2011 23:52:35 GMT 10
It doesn't make sense to run your own Internet; to be able to baptise and marry legally; to cultivate your own vegetables, figs, strawberries, blueberries and blackberries; and then to depend entirely on imported health services, at least outside of rare emergencies I think this is a very valid point, and something often overlooked. If the goal is to become self sufficient, as ours is, then you have to be able to provide the basic necessities of life, of which this is one. That is, of course, not to say that there will notstill be a need at times to seek health care from the greater realm, even most established hospitals have to seek guidance or personnel elsewhere when certain needs require the knowledge of a specialist for rare conditions, etc. but I would think that at least basic, routine health education and maintenance should be equal to the needs of food, power, and infrastructure in the national agenda.
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Post by Dagostinia on May 7, 2011 1:05:14 GMT 10
Dagostinia relies on health insurance that is provided through a mundane job. While this is only valid for my legal family, that is the extent of Dagostinia for the time being so that is okay. In the meantime we do a lot of research into natural herbs, remedies, methods, etc. We've also identified several yard weeds that are medicinal in nature.
At some point I hope to quit the mundane job when one or more of the side businesses take off. I'm sure there will be much research and long discussions with the Office of Oversight on what to do at that point. Perhaps big pharm catastrophe insurance or taking up a personal policy that supports and encourages homeopathy. The biggest concern is the minizens of whom I expect several broken bones, stitches, and perhaps a concussion or appendectomy over the next duodecade.
Though if income produces in a big way (US$100,000+ a year) I may avoid the insurance altogether and pay out of pocket as expenses arise.
In an ideal world (if I were a rich man, deedle deedle dee) I would be able to house several other people within my borders that were skilled in various professions: lawyer, homeopath, butcher, baker, candlestick maker. Then everything is handled internally.
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Post by Zandrovia on May 7, 2011 1:51:11 GMT 10
house several other people within my borders that were skilled in various professions: lawyer, homeopath, butcher, baker, candlestick maker. Then everything is handled internally. Once upon a time that was the definition of a community, a concept very much lacking these days, particularly in the US.
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Post by George on May 7, 2011 5:32:08 GMT 10
Community...? sounds like more o' that Evil Obama bin Ladin Muslim Socialism if yer askin' me! We don't want nunna that roun' these here parts!
;D
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Post by rareearth on May 8, 2011 1:40:37 GMT 10
Some news for those who care about the Good News: The Fifth World Health Organisation (5WHO), which had 7 members, now has 8 members! All natural health care practitioners are invited to join if they have some health certificate, or diploma, or degree, and take care of some other decent human being besides numero uno.
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Post by rareearth on May 8, 2011 2:01:31 GMT 10
We have several physicians in our community. Does it count? Yes, if they think being healthy most of the time is best, and that drugs and surgery are often not the best solution! Yes, if they think funding the work of Médecins Sans Frontières, Vitamin Angels, and the Center for Food Safety is rational, scientific, and decent. Send them over to the Fifth World Health Organisation (5WHO)! "Uncle Sid" needs you to stop Big Pharma, the FDA, the AMA, and Monsanto!
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Post by Zandrovia on May 10, 2011 8:50:03 GMT 10
Community...? sounds like more o' that Evil Obama bin Ladin Muslim Socialism if yer askin' me! We don't want nunna that roun' these here parts! ;D *applauds* Unfortunately I am afraid that I have to deduct points for the proper use of punctuation, capitalization, and you spelled muslim correctly. Tsk tsk. See where education gets you.
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Post by papapodjov on May 10, 2011 18:15:34 GMT 10
Community...? sounds like more o' that Evil Obama bin Ladin Muslim Socialism if yer askin' me! We don't want nunna that roun' these here parts! ;D *applauds* Unfortunately I am afraid that I have to deduct points for the proper use of punctuation, capitalization, and you spelled muslim correctly. Tsk tsk. See where education gets you. LOL
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Post by Lykos Packleader on May 12, 2011 0:42:46 GMT 10
Community...? sounds like more o' that Evil Obama bin Ladin Muslim Socialism if yer askin' me! We don't want nunna that roun' these here parts! ;D *applauds* Unfortunately I am afraid that I have to deduct points for the proper use of punctuation, capitalization, and you spelled muslim correctly. Tsk tsk. See where education gets you. ... but wasn't he jus' speakin' Hillbilly? There ain't any rules 'bout punctuation, right? We don' need no fancy doo dads like that 'round here! [You go, George!]
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Post by George on May 12, 2011 4:27:13 GMT 10
Shouldn't that be "aint *no* rules 'bout punctuation" ...?
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Post by George on May 12, 2011 4:27:51 GMT 10
...or more properly "punk-tee-ay-shun".
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