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Post by Zandrovia on May 12, 2011 4:52:33 GMT 10
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Post by George on May 12, 2011 5:35:20 GMT 10
I support the use of guns in the classroom, as long as it's just the teachers who are armed.
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Post by Zandrovia on May 12, 2011 8:30:23 GMT 10
It is primarily focused on educators and universities being forced to allow students to carry, I find that odd in and of itself. I do not believe that guns have any place in a civilized society quite frankly, and the world continued to turn for centuries without them just fine.
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Post by papapodjov on May 12, 2011 18:32:11 GMT 10
My jaw is ajar...
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Post by D. N. Vercáriâ on May 12, 2011 20:13:38 GMT 10
It is primarily focused on educators and universities being forced to allow students to carry, I find that odd in and of itself. I do not believe that guns have any place in a civilized society quite frankly, and the world continued to turn for centuries without them just fine. They are probably carrying guns to defend their teacher's freedom of speech, but quite frankly, if I was a teacher who had to teach a bunch of armed students, I would probably be a bit timid in my statements.
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Post by Zandrovia on May 12, 2011 22:54:08 GMT 10
It is primarily focused on educators and universities being forced to allow students to carry, I find that odd in and of itself. I do not believe that guns have any place in a civilized society quite frankly, and the world continued to turn for centuries without them just fine. They are probably carrying guns to defend their teacher's freedom of speech, but quite frankly, if I was a teacher who had to teach a bunch of armed students, I would probably be a bit timid in my statements. It's in Texas, the only freedom you have there is to think exactly the way the GOP tells you to think. I believe the move is more to intimidate teachers who are not catering to the party line. People are gun crazy there and extremely anti-American. Of course, the gun craze is spreading to a lot of of other redneck states to and a lot of professors are quitting as a result.
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Post by rareearth on May 13, 2011 4:44:31 GMT 10
The reason why, if I'll ever have kids, I'll probably not send them to school in the UNITED STATES, not just in the state of Texas: www.longislandpress.com/2011/05/12/long-island-high-school-bans-gay-prom-dates/Quote from the news article: "Prom is a legitimate rite of passage, an important, perhaps essential, part of the American high school experience." A "legitimate rite of passage"? Is that like minors having sex with adults? Or a minor, physically and intellectually, being given the car keys? Is there even such a thing as a legitimate rite of passage, and if there is, then who put it into law? A "important", "perhaps essential", "part of the American high school experience"? According to the Wikipedia, high school is a term used "to describe an institution that provides all or part of secondary education." On the other hand, " econdary education is the stage of education following primary school. Secondary education is generally the final stage of compulsory education ... The next stage of education is usually college or university. Secondary education is characterized by transition from the typically compulsory, comprehensive primary education for minors to the optional, selective tertiary, "post-secondary", or "higher" education (e.g., university, vocational school) for adults."
Quite frankly, I feel there is too much 'crap' in US schools that has nothing to do with 'getting an education', 'preparing for college or university', or even, God forbid, 'getting ready for life's responsibilities'.
Why is the prom so important? Is this any different than the chaos that happens at fraternity (frat) parties at even the most prestigious (that's supposed to mean 'serious') universities? Is this part of "finding oneself"?
Most children around the world don't have that luxury, and certainly most adults around the world have more pressing things to think about.
Why does all of this remind me so much of finishing schools (or charm schools), and what happened to the trivium (grammar, logic, and rhetoric), which preceded the quadrivium (arithmetic, geometry, music, and astronomy) of the 'backwards' Middle Ages?
Is intellectual preparation only a part of a PhD program and its final dissertation these days?
Somehow, I didn't even have to go as far as getting a Master's degree to be reading in my free time not a romance novel, but a deep and well-researched dissertation from a PhD who graduated from McGill University in 2009. That is genuinely prom night for me, prom night every night!
With the end of the Industrial Revolution period in most of the world outside of China, and the validity of the (equally failed/flawed) capitalist economic system on which it was based, who has the money to send their kids to such long, and moronic finishing schools these days?
And if the prom has nothing to do with 'getting an education' or 'preparing for college or university', what place do guns have on school or campus grounds? Freedom of speech at a gunpoint? What happens when people disagree, especially about such important things as which gender to bring to the prom?
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Post by Zandrovia on May 13, 2011 5:47:44 GMT 10
I must agree on the fact that US schools are nothing more than indoctrination centers with very little educational value, and the prom thing is quite frankly stupid. I fully support the schools right to ban gay dates. It is a Catholic school after all, and if you do not agree with their doctrine why would anyone be there, other than to cause offense? I do not agree with the Catholic church on many things, but I do support their absolute right to live and believe as they see fit.
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Post by Lykos Packleader on May 13, 2011 6:07:20 GMT 10
Personally, I don’t see anything wrong with arming the citizenry, but guns don’t belong in the classroom. ‘Tis a place for learning; the only place weaponry has in school is in those classes where weaponry is taught.
Unfortunately, it tends to be the fact that no parent will teach gun [weapon] safety to their children (and, yes, even showing what a gunshot can do --- say, to a side of beef). But I don’t personally think that children and/or adolescents should be “packing.” I should, of course, point out that no one ever listens to the “oddballs” in a forum like this… )
Of themselves, weapons are not “evil;” only the carriers and users of these can be. My 2-cents worth.
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Post by Zandrovia on May 13, 2011 6:29:45 GMT 10
Of themselves, weapons are not “evil;” only the carriers and users of these can be. My 2-cents worth. With all due respect I must disagere, a guns purpose is to kill and nothing more, unlike a sword, for example, which can be used quite effectively as a matter of defense without taking a life. Yes, no one ever listens to us, true, but I think it is generally a good exercise to consider issues like this so we at least have some thought into our national philosophy on issues whether or not they may be relevant to our own nations at the current time or not, thinking into the future never hurts.
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Post by Zandrovia on May 13, 2011 11:14:53 GMT 10
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