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Post by Dagostinia on Jun 4, 2011 2:36:16 GMT 10
Gee, thanks George. I just wasted an hour and a half reading Dilbert plus one piece of paper printing a strip for my cube wall.
Back to my regularly scheduled mundaneness.
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Post by George on Jun 4, 2011 6:35:20 GMT 10
Please accept my most profound apologies :-)
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Post by rareearth on Jun 4, 2011 9:41:41 GMT 10
Of course, the University of Phoenix, my alma mater, despite being a fully-accredited US university, perhaps even the best university of its kind (non-traditional), is looked down at, since it provides an education to people who no longer wear diapers/nappies, actually or intellectually, and who may actually have kids and a job. Yet I'm happy I was able to complete my degree there, in part because I was able to do it online, and that saved me quite a bit of time and travel expenses, and in part because I was given the opportunity to complete not just certain Mathematics and English graduation prerequisites, but also because I wrote a research paper once a week, not once a semester, and they even had among the graduation prerequisites a course in Critical Thinking, in my view just about as useful as any good course in Mathematics or English, and the closest thing to graduating with a Minor in Philosophy. I wish everyone, even before graduating from high school, not college, could be afforded the same Mathematics, English, and Critical Thinking skills I acquired or already possessed.
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Post by George on Jun 4, 2011 11:36:32 GMT 10
Critical thinking?
So what went wrong with that?
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Post by rareearth on Jun 4, 2011 12:04:57 GMT 10
Critical thinking? So what went wrong with that? Nothing really. In fact in my book I even successfully proved that scientism is a false philosophy/religion, because in fact it is not the best example of critical thinking, but rather the n-result of a severe lack of critical thinking skills. Scientistics are like people who accept the validity of algebra, but refuse the validity of geometry. They are like horses with blinkers (or blinders/winkers) that believe reality is strictly limited to that which they are capable of perceiving in their artificially limited field of vision.
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Post by George on Jun 4, 2011 15:51:40 GMT 10
Scientistics are like people who accept the validity of algebra, but refuse the validity of geometry. Truly this is one of the greatest challenges facing our generation! Go Pythagoras!
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Post by Zandrovia on Jun 16, 2011 11:48:39 GMT 10
Brilliant, of course, it is not limited to the micronational world, I see this every single day with people replying to whatever you say with the most outlandish and irrelevant responses.
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Post by Zandrovia on Jun 16, 2011 11:52:07 GMT 10
Of course, the University of Phoenix, my alma mater, despite being a fully-accredited US university, perhaps even the best university of its kind (non-traditional), is looked down at, since it provides an education to people who no longer wear diapers/nappies, actually or intellectually, and who may actually have kids and a job. Yet I'm happy I was able to complete my degree there, in part because I was able to do it online, and that saved me quite a bit of time and travel expenses, and in part because I was given the opportunity to complete not just certain Mathematics and English graduation prerequisites, but also because I wrote a research paper once a week, not once a semester, and they even had among the graduation prerequisites a course in Critical Thinking, in my view just about as useful as any good course in Mathematics or English, and the closest thing to graduating with a Minor in Philosophy. I wish everyone, even before graduating from high school, not college, could be afforded the same Mathematics, English, and Critical Thinking skills I acquired or already possessed. Ah, I rest my case! As someone who does actually have a minor in Philosophy let me say that it seems that the course you speak of is quite obviously no substitution to being classically trained since we must ask what, pray tell, does this rant have to do with the cartoon???
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Post by rareearth on Jun 17, 2011 14:45:39 GMT 10
Ah, I rest my case! As someone who does actually have a minor in Philosophy let me say that it seems that the course you speak of is quite obviously no substitution to being classically trained since we must ask what, pray tell, does this rant have to do with the cartoon??? The Internet is as loaded with scholarship as it is of trivia. Unfortunately "Source of Authority" is everything, and while things like the Wikipedia can be useful, it is one thing to start your research there, and it is quite another to end it there. The classical education you speak of started in the first universities. The first universities arose in Italy, the earliest of all being Salerno and Bologna. Nobody knows when Salerno ( Schola Medica Salernitana) started, but a little information is available about it as early as the 9th century. Mid-way in the 10th century, Salerno started becoming became more and more famous. Bologna ( Alma Mater Studiorum), on the other hand, was founded towards the end of the 11th century. Salerno started as a medical school, while Bologna initially was most notable for its teaching of canon and civil law. These institutions were followed by Paris and other French universities, and England came next. Most of the first universities were established for the study of the arts, law, medicine, and theology, and they had evolved from much older Christian cathedral monastic schools. Which means they all started with stuff like this: Today, however, in the first micronational universities, they teach stuff like this: So the classical education you speak of is a little like the Wikipedia: a fine place to start your search for wisdom, but not entirely the best place to end it. My classical education actually started in high school, what in Italy they call the scientific lyceum. There I started my many years of study of subjects like history, philosophy, Latin literature, Italian literature, English literature, mathematics, etc. I actually completed the requirements for an Italian high school diploma in New York, at the Scuola d'Italia "Guglielmo Marconi", but by then I had already earned an American high school equivalency diploma at the University at Albany (SUNY), and over 50 college credits at Nassau Community College as a Biology major. I later went on to study in another old European university, the University of Perugia ( Università degli Studi di Perugia), where I was a medical student for only a few years, and where I first realised just how different the medicine I already used back then was from the conventional medicine and surgery taught in Perugia, Italy. Later still, I attended Hofstra University as an engineering major for only a semester or two. Late in life I eventually graduated with a BS in Information Technology from the University of Phoenix, but I have also gained degrees, diplomas, or certificates from other universities or correspondence schools. While I was more immersed in Java Programming and Database Concepts than with Socrates or Kant, however, I did enjoy my "Critical Thinking" course, and in fact, the n-result was this, which is neither Socrates nor Kant, but both, and the thoughts go quite further: Oh, by the way, in case you are wondering where I studied the field of communication concepts above, lets just say that at one time in this life, at least for a brief time, I was also a Communication major.
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Post by papapodjov on Jun 17, 2011 23:01:15 GMT 10
Jack of all trades.... master of none.
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Post by rareearth on Jun 18, 2011 4:02:48 GMT 10
Jack of all trades.... master of none. Correct. I'm not sure why I'm like this, as most people aren't like this, but while I attended the University of Phoenix my first class was essentially a career orientation class, and when I did the Ned Herrmann Whole Brain Model-type tests, it turned out that while I was slightly weaker in the Organizer, Strategist, or Business Administration area of the brain (left and back brain area), all four sections of my head where strong, with just a slight dominance of the Innovator, Presenter, Social Science/Art area (right and front brain area). I guess all of this makes me very good at synthesis, and at seeing connections in different fields of human endeavour.
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Post by rareearth on Jun 18, 2011 5:08:04 GMT 10
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Post by Peter on Jun 18, 2011 6:24:33 GMT 10
Yes, this is your problem. Oh wait, it is not. THIS is actually your problem:
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Post by rareearth on Jun 18, 2011 8:07:36 GMT 10
Yes, this is your problem. Oh wait, it is not. THIS is actually your problem: Intelligence at certain levels does indeed feed upon itself (it is called "research"), and this can be shown graphically: However, it seems to me, and not just to me either, that wisdom is directly proportional to intelligence, but inversely proportional to ego. Also, the astute German philosopher Arthur Schopenhauer, once observed that "Intellect is invisible to the man who has none", so it takes intelligence to appreciate intelligence. Finally, Friedrich Nietzsche in Beyond Good and Evil (1886) wrote, "The vanity of others is only counter to our taste when it is counter to our vanity." References- Hey, Jonathan. (2004, December). The Data, Information, Knowledge, Wisdom Chain: The Metaphorical link. Retrieved 17 June 2011 from personal files.
- Bellinger, Gene, Castro, Durval, & Mills, Anthony. (2010). Data, Information, Knowledge and Wisdom. Retrieved 17 June 2011, from www.systemswiki.org/index.php?title=Data,_Information,_Knowledge_and_Wisdom
- Song, C.T. (2000). The Path To Enlightenment. Western Chan Fellowship. Retrieved 17 June 2011, from www.westernchanfellowship.org/path-enlightenment.html
- Intelligence. Wikiquote. Retrieved 17 June 2011, from en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Intelligence
- Vanity. Wikiquote. Retrieved 17 June 2011, from en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Intelligence
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Post by George on Jun 18, 2011 12:10:17 GMT 10
Please kill me now.
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Post by papapodjov on Jun 22, 2011 20:34:26 GMT 10
Move to the US and commit a crime that warrants your extermination.
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Post by Dagostinia on Jun 23, 2011 0:57:12 GMT 10
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