Chas Jago
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Post by Chas Jago on Nov 30, 2011 7:18:51 GMT 10
Greetings,
What is members thoughts on Wiki's in Micronationalism? Some people seem to really support the concept of them but others hate them.
What is your thoughts on it?
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George
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Post by George on Nov 30, 2011 8:22:41 GMT 10
Wikis are invaluable if you're creating a proper encyclopedia which is written to academic standards, includes referenced sources, and which is regularly maintained.
Otherwise, they're a nightmare.
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Post by Jason Mckerra on Nov 30, 2011 10:56:52 GMT 10
The wiki existed long before the concept of using a wiki to compile an encylopedia.
A wiki is a tool. It's just a database. When you allow multiple users, it's a collaborative database. When you allow the wider internet to access it, it's a publicly accessible tool.
Why would a micronation, or any organisation or project use a database? To sort, store and retrieve information. Is the responsibility for compiling this information shared? Is it intended to be publicly retrievable? Yes? Then a wiki is an appropriate tool.
The real question is do micronations really have the quantities of disparate information that needs to be sorted, shared, retrievable and publicly available that would require a solution as complicated as a wiki?
Rarely.
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Post by George on Nov 30, 2011 12:07:39 GMT 10
The only wiki I've seen that was associated with a single micronation was the one created by Nova Roma.
They used it instead of a normal website.
It was almost impossible to use effectively if, for example, you just wanted to find their email address, or buy one of their coins.
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Post by Chas Jago on Nov 30, 2011 13:24:22 GMT 10
Thank you for your insight, personally I find them annoying as hell. I actually refuse to list Alteria on any of them now because I find it annoying as hell to come back and find someone has edited an entry because they don't agree with it, don't feel it was formatted to their liking.
Most Micronational Wikis are not kept up to date, and most end up being nothing more than extensions of their ego's.
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Post by Peter on Nov 30, 2011 23:57:27 GMT 10
The real question is do micronations really have the quantities of disparate information that needs to be sorted, shared, retrievable and publicly available that would require a solution as complicated as a wiki? Everyone listen to this man please.
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Post by Dagostinia on Dec 1, 2011 2:37:16 GMT 10
The wiki existed long before the concept of using a wiki to compile an encylopedia. A wiki is a tool. It's just a database. When you allow multiple users, it's a collaborative database. When you allow the wider internet to access it, it's a publicly accessible tool. I once considered using a wiki to compile my family tree. This is a tree that extends to about 1400AD on my wife's side and has at least a dozen branches into other major family entities that I never knew existed. The ability to write information about individuals on their own page and to link to other immediate relations was attractive. Besides the fact that there could be an additional info page for each surname, locale of residence, etc. In the end I chose an online tool more specific to the purpose. The main downfall of the wiki in this case is that I would not have been able to see a proper tree. A site map may have done the job but still not adequate. I have submitted my micronation to a few wikis. The interest is in driving traffic to my site wherein my couple of mundane entrepreneurial activities are subtly promoted. Unfortunately, George will not create an entry on LOM for Dagostinia until I submit my legal name and lat/long. This I have no problem with but my Office of Oversight is a touch paranoid of authorities and crazies. Since I share a bed with her and not George, she wins.
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Post by Chas Jago on Dec 1, 2011 4:35:18 GMT 10
Unfortunately, George will not create an entry on LOM for Dagostinia until I submit my legal name and lat/long. This I have no problem with but my Office of Oversight is a touch paranoid of authorities and crazies. Since I share a bed with her and not George, she wins. I'm glad someone else has that issue The real question is do micronations really have the quantities of disparate information that needs to be sorted, shared, retrievable and publicly available that would require a solution as complicated as a wiki? Rarely. If at all. Most Micronations barely have enough information online these days to display in a simple 2 fold pamphlet, let alone a Wiki. Its one of the observations I have made over the past, nearly 15 years I have been involved in Alteria, the quality of nations has dropped and the amount of information that nations bother to put online is very little.
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Post by George on Dec 1, 2011 8:33:14 GMT 10
I once considered using a wiki to compile my family tree. This is a tree that extends to about 1400AD on my wife's side and has at least a dozen branches into other major family entities that I never knew existed. I read somewhere long ago that that everyone in the English-speaking world who explores their ancestry eventually arrives at the conclusion that they're descended from King Edward III. :-P
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Post by Dagostinia on Dec 2, 2011 7:02:13 GMT 10
I read somewhere long ago that that everyone in the English-speaking world who explores their ancestry eventually arrives at the conclusion that they're descended from King Edward III. :-P Perhaps, but consider that he would have to be much like Noah. That is, all other prolific contemporaries would have to be killed off making him the only Anglo-cestor available. As for me, four generations ago my ancestors were stomping grapes and living aimlessly in the Tuscan countryside.
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Post by Dagostinia on Dec 2, 2011 7:11:22 GMT 10
And now for a real thread-related reply.
I don't know about wikis but I've seen a lot of websites that were built with blogs. You can hide posting date and other non-relevant info, use tags and a taglist to create a navbar, etc. Lots of bells and whistles already in place. I've built dragonflytrailers.blogspot.com as an experiment towards this end.
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Post by pictish on Dec 30, 2011 22:40:01 GMT 10
I am not a Monarch, nor even a part of the Government of my people.But i believe as do my people in the freedom of expression,written,spoken,electronic etc.when these are factually based they are of great benefit to all.When they are in error, every step should be taken to correct the errors,should there be any.Failure to correct a mistake greatly jeopardizes the usefulness of the information, and calls the credibility of the wiki and other articles into question.The article which exists on this wiki.About The Kingdom of Pictland is in such error.I am late of Edinburgh Scotland Having moved to the states.I have personally met with, and spoke to both individuals named in the article.They are first of all not the same man.2 seperate individuals with similar names. Being confused by people not of their family making unsupported accusations.There are 5 people in this area, that use this name within my family.Please note the term Kingdom of Pictland.This is not the same as United Kingdom or Kingdom of Scotland.The Lord Lyon is not the King of Arms of Pictland,But of Scotland.And from the Lord Lyons own admission" he cannot recognize Pictish arms".Having researched this myself for sometime.and having spoken with the old Lord lyon Sir Thomas Innes of Learney on this subject. I Apologise for the length of this post.But did the writer of the Kingdom of Pictland article even bother to contact the Individuals in the article to verify the statements? or even the Kingdom of Pictland itself?It does have a contact email portal.I am sure someone would get back to you. Thank you William J.Pentland citizen of the Kingdom of Pictland
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Post by Lykos Packleader on Dec 31, 2011 3:43:47 GMT 10
Heyla,
Being blind (mostly), I'd often toyed with the idea of asking someone to help me post Lykosha's particulars to various and sundry wikis, but I keep forgetting about it.
Considering what I've seen on this thread, it seems that my disability has actually benefited Lykosha overall.... funny how that happened.
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Post by Duke Casimir on Mar 16, 2012 8:22:15 GMT 10
To all nations, greetings:
I realize that many people have not heard from me, but this is important.
Recently, I have become acquainted with misinformation depicted by certain micronational "wikis" that do not seem to have an email address on them, for the purpose of delivering correct information. The arduous task of registering on one particular is particularly difficult, due to that most heinous of all registering obstacles: the "Kapsha" stepping stone.
I am blind.
That may seem like such a little problem, but it's not. The so called solution is one that doesn't always work: the audio challenge..... believe me, it is (a challenge). It's very short, and my computer has software that doesn't always receive the audio clue. After a half dozen tries, I'd like the ability to reach down the "throat" of the software, and pull the wires out (Alas, such is not to be). I realize that I'm griping to the wrong person, but all I want is to give correct information to the individuals or groups giving out misinformation about TorHavn. I'd like to give them the new flag, painstakingly made by my sighted friends. I'd like to stop receiving information about groups, or organizations that have outdated information. TorHavn is now a part of the Kingdom of Bahoudii. Whatever people think, due to differing opinions, that is not the point. What is the point is that my information has changed, and I am attempting to update information. The front page of torhavn.net will eventually change... is it too much to ask that the micro-wikis still extolling old, outdated, information update their old information?
I really don't believe that to be the case.
Thank you all very much --- if anyone can help me contact these groups, do not hesitate to let me know.
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Post by Chas Jago on Mar 17, 2012 19:28:41 GMT 10
Duke Casimir,
If I can be of any help, please let me know, I would be happy to update information, if you would be so kind as to provide it, and work in with you.
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