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Post by davidv on Mar 9, 2010 13:51:47 GMT 10
As a youngster, I believe Madison went through phases of embracing various ideologies and movements. His fascination with such things left its mark on Talossa in any case.
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Post by Jason Mckerra on Mar 9, 2010 14:14:21 GMT 10
And one day he thought "I'm going to pose for a newspaper photo, I might just drape myself in the symbols of a Jew hatin' fascist party!"
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Post by davidv on Mar 9, 2010 16:12:10 GMT 10
Well... one of Talossa's provinces was named after Ataturk, another named after Mussolini but that's since been changed. Talossans also named a rabbit reserve and Milwaukee's international after Enver Hoxha!
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Post by George on Mar 9, 2010 19:35:09 GMT 10
At least poor old Enver still has something named after him.
That reminds me... I must dig out that 1980s CD I have of the national Albanian folk music festival.
I recall being surprised, upon first listen, at the number of traditional Albanian folk songs that seemed to have "Enver Hoxha" as their theme.
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Post by George on Mar 9, 2010 19:38:03 GMT 10
...on second thoughts, I might just go visit youtube:
"...your name is joy of freedom: a flower on every child's lips... may you live as long as this Earth's age!"
Now that's what I call sycophancy!
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Post by davidv on Mar 9, 2010 22:21:21 GMT 10
The fascination with totalitarian or authoritarian rulers may be mostly tongue-in-cheek, or can it be seen by critics as reflecting certain tendencies among micronationalists?
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Post by George on Mar 13, 2010 6:16:07 GMT 10
Adam Hemmings of the Kingdom of Kemetia has apparently lost none of his capacity for conflating fact with fiction: college.uchicago.edu/story/god-save-king"Jordan, Syria, Taiwan and the Democratic Republic of the Congo all recognize Kemetia"
"Honestly, when you are in a position of some power, and you have options of retaining that power, you want to retain it at all costs," said Hemmings
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Post by Peter on Mar 13, 2010 10:56:44 GMT 10
Is this the same Egaptian-themed Kemetia I remember from MNO? I thought it was inactive (considering the fact that the king popped up several times asking how to make a website and then paused for several months on a regular basis).
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Post by George on Mar 13, 2010 13:18:02 GMT 10
Yes. Same one.
I've always found Kemetia somewhat strange.
I can't tell whether Mr Hemmings is totally delusional, a pompous egomaniac, or merely a very clever boy engaging in some sort of ironic performance art exercise.
I suspect it's a mixture of all of the above.
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Post by George on Mar 14, 2010 2:38:34 GMT 10
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Post by davidv on Mar 24, 2010 16:05:54 GMT 10
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Post by George on Mar 24, 2010 16:31:12 GMT 10
Most amusing.
Mr Skaggs is a strange one. My only encounter with him - at Wikipedia - was mercifully brief.
In short, when asked for third party references relating to Alphistia, he became quite hysterical, and described me as "an Enver Hoxha type" (which is totally untrue; I'm far more good looking than Enver Hoxha).
I also saw a later blog interview with him in which he referenced my "cruel egotism", so he's obviously never gotten over whatever terrible insult it is he imagines I perpetrated against him.
People in glass houses...
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Post by davidv on Mar 25, 2010 1:00:44 GMT 10
Most amusing. Mr Skaggs is a strange one. My only encounter with him - at Wikipedia - was mercifully brief. In short, when asked for third party references relating to Alphistia, he became quite hysterical, and described me as "an Enver Hoxha type" (which is totally untrue; I'm far more good looking than Enver Hoxha). I also saw a later blog interview with him in which he referenced my "cruel egotism", so he's obviously never gotten over whatever terrible insult it is he imagines I perpetrated against him. People in glass houses... As we both know, Skaggs' project is also notable for its longevity and detailing, but his personality has kept it introspective as opposed to welcoming and participatory.
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Post by George on Mar 25, 2010 5:53:21 GMT 10
Indeed.
I think that Talossa and Alphistia as two sides of the same coin... but whereas Madison is a megalomaniac who craves the attention that comes with allowing others to share his world (up to a point), Skaggs is an anal retentive control freak who seemingly can't bear to let others even touch his creation, much less share it (not withstanding the fact that some people have done so - particularly with regards the Alphistian language).
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Post by davidv on Mar 25, 2010 15:02:24 GMT 10
Indeed. I think that Talossa and Alphistia as two sides of the same coin... but whereas Madison is a megalomaniac who craves the attention that comes with allowing others to share his world (up to a point), Skaggs is an anal retentive control freak who seemingly can't bear to let others even touch his creation, much less share it (not withstanding the fact that some people have done so - particularly with regards the Alphistian language). More that Madison was successful in founding a community, and allowing that community to evolve sense of a national identity, culture and institutions built up over a generation. Talossa was initially open to interaction with the glut of micronations that sprung up following its entrance onto the Internet, of which it was regarded as a pioneer in that phenomenon. However, it soon became apparent that they, or more specifically Madison, was less keen on having relationships with them when almost every new one that sprung up demanded recognition from them. His less than eloquent online behaviour towards them didn't help, but he was right up to a point- and when you see the fuckwittery that still exists (as we can see in the "Cracked Microsphere" thread), one could hardly blame him. It was more the fact that he had chosen to apply coercive tactics- namely extensive use of online bullying- to anyone within Talossa who disagreed with him or saw as a "threat"- that became more of an issue as time went on. Not in real life of course.
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Post by George on Apr 9, 2010 23:11:00 GMT 10
A 1977 magazine article about a Republic of Montmartre, located in New York. The article also seems to be the only current online reference to the International Micropatriological Society - for which I was actually searching when I stumbled across Montmartre. I initially discovered a website published by one of the IMS's former members several weeks ago - but it now seems to have vanished.
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Post by Lykos Packleader on Apr 22, 2010 4:59:17 GMT 10
Heyla, Way back in 1985, living in Van Nuys, California, I used to subscribe to the Los Angeles Times, and often perused more than the comics of the “View” section, back when it (that section) was tinted light green. I saw, much to my surprise, a front page article about an “alternative nation,” just off Central California’s coast, centered around a picture of a tree plastered with a poster stating: “You are now in another country… please be sure to have your passport on your person.” It was a two page article; it had two pictures,and no, I don’t remember the name of the national project. I’d search the Times for that old article, but that costs $$$$money --- nearly $40/hour! Every time I mention this article, no one else seems to know who this group was. They lived on a small island; there were about 40 people living there (approx? ), and they each had their own passports for their daily trips to the United States (more than fifty percent of them worked across the channel. I used to have a copy of this article, but lost it in the move to another apartment. …. Now don’t mind me; I’m just regretting that no one else seems to remember this national project. I also regret that I can’t remember what their name was……
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Post by Bokonton on Apr 22, 2010 6:01:35 GMT 10
A while back (I think it was a couple of months ago, actually) I got an email from a reporter from a newspaper called the Chosun Ilbo, asking for an interview. I haven't got a reply since, and although I've checked out the paper, which seems reputable, etc. I haven't been able to track down the article they suggested that the interview would appear in- even without said interview. I don't know whether they even ran the piece or not, and I'd love to find out. Would anyone be able to help? Apparently, the piece was 'Future trends' on "next month's special edition."
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Post by George on Apr 22, 2010 17:15:43 GMT 10
This one is not one that I've heard of before, sorry.
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Post by George on Jun 23, 2010 4:57:38 GMT 10
Here's an interesting French-language story in a fairly high-brow publication: cybergeo.revues.org/index4397.htmlA little out-of-date, but a good historical resource nonetheless.
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Post by Bokonton on Sept 1, 2010 17:35:36 GMT 10
Ah, I read that one in it's bleedy-ink, physical state. A bit patronising, but a nice article nonetheless.
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Post by George on Sept 2, 2010 12:01:19 GMT 10
One of the most interesting things I can say I've discovered in the course of categorising the 100 or so micronations that have so far been added to Lomwiki is that a very significant proportion of them were established as a focus of anti-urban development or pro-environmental activism, or else as stand-alone fine art or performance art projects. This is very much at odds with the prevailing opinion among many micronationalists that most if not all micronations that project their activities into the corporeal world are founded by "secessionist nutters". In reality, the proportion of real-world micronations created with the sole intention of achieving full independence from an extant sovereign nation-state is quite miniscule - understandably so, given the massive economy-of-scale, monetary, political and military challenges such an undertaking would have to confront. In reality, a large proportion of physical micronations are actually created as vehicles to channel localised instances of popular discontent into practical solution-focused social activism, or else as foci for the of creative theoretical reinterpretation of the nature and purpose of the contemporary nation-state.
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Post by Zandrovia on Sept 24, 2010 0:12:03 GMT 10
One of the most interesting things I can say I've discovered in the course of categorising the 100 or so micronations that have so far been added to Lomwiki is that a very significant proportion of them were established as a focus of anti-urban development or pro-environmental activism, or else as stand-alone fine art or performance art projects. This is very much at odds with the prevailing opinion among many micronationalists that most if not all micronations that project their activities into the corporeal world are founded by "secessionist nutters". In reality, the proportion of real-world micronations created with the sole intention of achieving full independence from an extant sovereign nation-state is quite miniscule - understandably so, given the massive economy-of-scale, monetary, political and military challenges such an undertaking would have to confront. In reality, a large proportion of physical micronations are actually created as vehicles to channel localised instances of popular discontent into practical solution-focused social activism, or else as foci for the of creative theoretical reinterpretation of the nature and purpose of the contemporary nation-state. This is also the case with Zandrovia. We were formed in order to address certain key issues that we believe have failed in the US (and most modern countries) such as the lack of sustainability and community. Zandrovia was created, not to oppose any other government, but merely to create a community based upon the religious and ecological principles that are important to our peole and to insure a future for our children. We have about as much interest in revolution as the Omish, lol. I am hoping that with more education and press, people will start to have a better understanding of micronations.
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