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Post by George on Jun 22, 2011 11:46:09 GMT 10
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Post by rareearth on Jun 22, 2011 12:23:34 GMT 10
The $308 million they spent for each all those lower life forms, could have provided a $30,000 per year salary to only... 10,267 people.
It would have been 'wasted' money also, but with a difference: out of those 10,267 people there could have been at least a few inventions or discoveries made by some of those people with so much free time, and that would have fully justified the free government money.
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Post by George on Jun 22, 2011 13:35:23 GMT 10
The thing I find interesting about this is the total and utter disconnect that appears to exist in US society between the harsh economic realities that must - at some point - be faced, and people's insistence in continuing to enthusiastically endorse policies that make the problem immeasurably worse.
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Post by Dagostinia on Jun 23, 2011 0:53:15 GMT 10
This begs the question of what the best alternative is.
The first (worst) option would be immediate release. This could certainly save some money.
The second option would be immediate execution of all death-row inmates. Imagine the news coverage!
Third would be to drop the death penalty in exchange for life sentences. This might be the most expensive yet also has the drawback of not freeing up space for future inmates.
I suppose a fourth option could include dropping a bunch of iron rods into the middle of the outdoor area, hanging a get out of jail free card from a rope 12' off the ground and let them all figure out who gets the prize.
So, is it morally better to release a convicted felon back into public, kill them immediately, or let them rot in jail? I consider myself to have a decent moral compass but struggle over this.
Or maybe the best option: Remove many of the privileges (TV, weight room) and charge inmates for their stay.
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Post by rareearth on Jun 23, 2011 1:15:51 GMT 10
The thing I find interesting about this is the total and utter disconnect that appears to exist in US society between the harsh economic realities that must - at some point - be faced, and people's insistence in continuing to enthusiastically endorse policies that make the problem immeasurably worse. The Center For Food Safety and Earthjustice have filed a lawsuit against the US Department of Agriculture (USDA) for approving the unrestricted planting of GE alfalfa. The Public Patent Foundation filed a lawsuit against the Monsanto Company to challenge the chemical giant's patents on genetically modified seed. Monsanto is that nice company that besides introducing GM products into the environment, they also go after farmers who don't buy their products who are neighbours to the farmers that do. Really nice people... The Natural Resources Defense Council; the Center for Science in the Public Interest; the Food Animal Concerns Trust; the Union of Concerned Scientists; and Public Citizen filed a lawsuit in federal court in New York, against the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) in order to stop antibiotic abuse on factory farms. The Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine have sued the USDA and the Department of Health and Human Services over deceptive language in new Dietary Guidelines. The above are just a few examples of the many others that I have at least read once this year. Tell me one country on earth where, in order to get some real justice, in order to get things done they way they should, you have to sue the government or a government agency. Only in the United States. No, the "petition of government for redress of grievances" doesn't work anymore. Money talks, especially when lawyers are paid to talk, and BS walks. Why? Because despite all the BS coming from Washington, DC, and other friendly capitals around the world, the US is a police state run under the Uniform Commercial Code (UCC), and solely for the benefit of corporations, not people. People don't have any real rights anymore. But there is some good news. Last week the US House of Representatives passed the agriculture funding bill for fiscal year 2012, and the bill included a gigantic cut in the FDA's budget, a whopping $285 million budget cut. Basically with that budget hit, the so-called ' food safety' law can't be implemented, and there is no money to approve 'Frankenfish' ( AquaBounty salmon). So by mistake, the House may have begun to do something right, but they are also part of the problem, not part of the solution, because they enjoy benefits that no American enjoys, and they never cut those benefits, while they have no qualms about cutting the benefits of millions of Americans.
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Post by papapodjov on Jun 23, 2011 2:03:32 GMT 10
:)There's the answer... Make inmates eat GM crops as part of a research project. These big companies can then pay for their indefinite stay in jail and after they die of food poisoning we can see if the preservatives mummify their bodies....
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Post by rareearth on Jun 24, 2011 9:28:34 GMT 10
The thing I find interesting about this is the total and utter disconnect that appears to exist in US society between the harsh economic realities that must - at some point - be faced, and people's insistence in continuing to enthusiastically endorse policies that make the problem immeasurably worse. The Center For Food Safety and Earthjustice have filed a lawsuit against the US Department of Agriculture (USDA) for approving the unrestricted planting of GE alfalfa. The Public Patent Foundation filed a lawsuit against the Monsanto Company to challenge the chemical giant's patents on genetically modified seed. Monsanto is that nice company that besides introducing GM products into the environment, they also go after farmers who don't buy their products who are neighbours to the farmers that do. Really nice people... The Natural Resources Defense Council; the Center for Science in the Public Interest; the Food Animal Concerns Trust; the Union of Concerned Scientists; and Public Citizen filed a lawsuit in federal court in New York, against the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) in order to stop antibiotic abuse on factory farms. The Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine have sued the USDA and the Department of Health and Human Services over deceptive language in new Dietary Guidelines. The above are just a few examples of the many others that I have at least read once this year. Tell me one country on earth where, in order to get some real justice, in order to get things done they way they should, you have to sue the government or a government agency. Only in the United States. No, the "petition of government for redress of grievances" doesn't work anymore. Money talks, especially when lawyers are paid to talk, and BS walks. Why? Because despite all the BS coming from Washington, DC, and other friendly capitals around the world, the US is a police state run under the Uniform Commercial Code (UCC), and solely for the benefit of corporations, not people. People don't have any real rights anymore. But there is some good news. Last week the US House of Representatives passed the agriculture funding bill for fiscal year 2012, and the bill included a gigantic cut in the FDA's budget, a whopping $285 million budget cut. Basically with that budget hit, the so-called ' food safety' law can't be implemented, and there is no money to approve 'Frankenfish' ( AquaBounty salmon). So by mistake, the House may have begun to do something right, but they are also part of the problem, not part of the solution, because they enjoy benefits that no American enjoys, and they never cut those benefits, while they have no qualms about cutting the benefits of millions of Americans. California lawyer sues State Dept. over revoked green card lotterywww.cnn.com/2011/US/06/21/green.card.lawsuit/index.htmlThe only suit missing is one against the IRS. No. I was wrong. They are even suing them! IRS Sued by Universitywww.getirshelp.com/irsblog/1655/irs-sued-by-university/IRS sued for discriminating against groups that don’t hold Obama’s view on Israelolehgirl.com/?p=4200
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Post by George on Jun 24, 2011 13:52:44 GMT 10
So some tiny group of Hebrew chauvinist imperialists is suing a major US government agency for not granting them tax-exempt status so they can promote their disturbingly hateful agenda unfettered by fiscal constraints.
Good luck with that!
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Post by Lykos Packleader on Jun 25, 2011 2:00:51 GMT 10
Heyla,
Actually, the most disturbing part about that blog was the number (!!!) of cats being mentioned....
Too many cats.... just too many.... I realize that I'm prejudiced, but that's a lot of cats! Oh well, back to politics and other interesting stuff....
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Post by sogoln on Jun 29, 2011 8:39:01 GMT 10
I am always amazed by the number of people who still believe that vengeance equals justice.
What an ugly world they live in...
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Post by George on Jun 29, 2011 9:05:49 GMT 10
I agree.
...and unfortunately that makes the world just that much uglier for the rest of us too.
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Post by MrJay on Jul 13, 2011 3:21:03 GMT 10
Why? Because despite all the BS coming from Washington, DC, and other friendly capitals around the world, the US is a police state run under the Uniform Commercial Code (UCC), and solely for the benefit of corporations, not people. People don't have any real rights anymore. Tread carefully " rareearth" because it has been said: " If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you" The kind of " patriot" " mumbo-jumbo" about the " UCC" is very dangerous talk. Yes, it isn't exactly incorrect or false. But be very careful about so called " Sovereign Citizen" movements which are popular in North America. I direct the same to you too George: " Hebrew chauvinist imperialists."I do not disagree but I would tread cautiously. Sometimes being right and telling the truth is simply inadequate.
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Post by George on Jul 13, 2011 13:19:30 GMT 10
I'm afraid that I don't have a paranoid bone in my body.
As a 15 year-old budding Emperor of Atlantium, I was perfectly happy to have my full name and street address published regularly in nationally-circulating magazines.
You know how many times I was harrassed, molested, attacked or murdered as a consequence?
Never.
I'm now 44, and my attitude remains unchanged.
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Post by rareearth on Jul 13, 2011 22:50:12 GMT 10
I'm afraid that I don't have a paranoid bone in my body. As a 15 year-old budding Emperor of Atlantium, I was perfectly happy to have my full name and street address published regularly in nationally-circulating magazines. You know how many times I was harrassed, molested, attacked or murdered as a consequence? Never. I'm now 44, and my attitude remains unchanged. I'm with George on the "patriot mumbo jumbo". The only difference is that I have been harassed and attacked, and on Judgement Day I will get even, you can count on it. I'll bring them all to the Highest Court on Earth on Judgement Day, and I'll have the Supreme Judge of humanity and other entities throw the book at them. I am not associated with any patriotic group, because I'm a matriot, not a patriot. I actually despise all patriots, all paternalists, all patriarchs, because fatherhood is overrated. I've had lots of mothers (my own mother, nuns, aunts, and even a good black woman was a mother figure to me), but as for fathers, they are a dime a dozen. Same applies to patres familias, paternalists, patriots, and patriarchs — who needs them? You shouldn't confuse Fourth World stuff like the patriot mumbo jumbo, the UCC, the word "organic" (which is actually a trademark of the US Department of Agriculture, and that alone tells you how phony it is), the so-called environmental groups (they are all phony, and if you support any of them you are throwing away your money and not doing an F'ing thing for the planet), the FDA, the CDC, the CIA, and secessionists movements like the ones in Vermont or Texas with the Fifth World or micronationalist stuff here. You shouldn't confuse Fourth World stuff like US Government agencies, those dependent children called US states, and secessionist philosophy with Fifth World stuff like Cesidian law (the most advanced law on Earth), Fifth World agriculture and agricultural products (better known as homegrown, and in the Fifth World they even mix aquaculture with hydroponics, better known as aquaponics — we are even financing practical research like that), the Girlpeace organisation, the Fifth World Sea and Space treaties, the Fifth World Health Organisation (5WHO), the good ol' boy-and-girl network (part of it is here, part in other forums), social identity or irredentist groups, the UMMOA nation and community of nations, MPR and UMMOA members nations, and the independent, autonomous, and self-sufficient Fifth World philosophy. You can't really compare disfunctional and brainless Fourth World stuff to the highly functional and brainy Fifth World renaissance.
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Post by George on Jul 14, 2011 9:29:10 GMT 10
...I have been harassed and attacked, and on Judgement Day I will get even, you can count on it. I'll bring them all to the Highest Court on Earth on Judgement Day, and I'll have the Supreme Judge of humanity and other entities throw the book at them. Has it occurred to you that comments of this nature might have a lot to do with the fact a lot of people consider you a little... umm... odd ?
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Post by rareearth on Jul 14, 2011 9:52:11 GMT 10
...I have been harassed and attacked, and on Judgement Day I will get even, you can count on it. I'll bring them all to the Highest Court on Earth on Judgement Day, and I'll have the Supreme Judge of humanity and other entities throw the book at them. Has it occurred to you that comments of this nature might have a lot to do with the fact a lot of people consider you a little... umm... odd ? I'd rather be the oddity of Judgement Day, than the non-oddity. Besides that, we are all odd if we are micronationalists, and anybody who claims to be less odd is a little like the jackass who claims to have shorter ears.
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Post by George on Jul 14, 2011 10:36:34 GMT 10
eeaaw! eeaaw!
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Post by sogoln on Jul 14, 2011 23:27:26 GMT 10
What's the point in getting even? Sounds childish to me.
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Post by George on Jul 15, 2011 8:15:40 GMT 10
Righteous vengeance - like righteous anger - does have its place - and its upside.
The operative word here is "righteous".
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