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Post by George on Jul 25, 2011 12:11:34 GMT 10
Reading through the background to last Friday's horrific mass murder in Norway, one particularly disturbing fact stood out for me: The self-confessed murderer, Anders Behring Breivik, is a self-identified member of what appears to be one of the many false "Knights Templar" orders that sell membership over the internet; He is shown in one published photograph bedecked in a military uniform encrusted with sufficient gold braid and "knightly medals" to sink a battleship. When one recalls that eerily-similar deranged Islamophobic, misogynistic and rampant military fetishist opinions have been stridently espoused by such well-known micronational crazies as Yan Pagh and Robert Lord in recent years, one is left with the disturbing realisation that it is a very fine line indeed that separates the fantasy world inhabited by these and similar dysfunctional types from the real world.
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Post by George on Jul 25, 2011 16:12:38 GMT 10
For the record, this rather bizarre website belongs to the "Templar" group to which the Norwegian mass-murderer belongs. Looks like a typical piece of online gamer fiction to me: www.pccts.com/...particularly when you take a look at this "hidden" page, with its amateurish Second Life-style CGI image of a meeting room, complete with thrones, and references to the Illuminati: www.pccts.com/sec_log_c_x2010_emergency/78vat19sug1620ananumbgram.html
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Post by rareearth on Jul 25, 2011 18:18:40 GMT 10
RK Ulrich is the founder of The Bridge International based in Florida. However, Ulrich was born and raised in Norway, so she obviously reads and speaks in Norwegian well. She spent much of the weekend looking through Breivik's Facebook and other blogs, including his 1,500 page manifesto. Ulich says, "He states he wants to support the Christian principles culturally, but there's nothing in his blog that even indicated that he even has any personal relationship with Jesus or understands salvation or leading a Christian life." Breivik instead hails Charles Darwin, whose evolutionary theories stand in contrast to the claims of the Bible, and affirms: "As for the Church and science, it is essential that science takes an undisputed precedence over biblical teachings. Europe has always been the cradle of science, and it must always continue to be that way. Regarding my personal relationship with God, I guess I'm not an excessively religious man. I am first and foremost a man of logic. However, I am a supporter of a monocultural Christian Europe." ( source) So besides being Islamophobic, and having a military fetish, he also appears to be a man of (cold, heartless) logic, and not a man of faith (in the Lord Jesus Christ) at all. So much for the media reports making Anders Behring Breivik a Christian fundamentalist.
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Post by rareearth on Jul 26, 2011 5:29:11 GMT 10
Anders Breivik Manifesto: Shooter/Bomber Downplayed Religion, Secular Influence Keygoo.gl/Ak1un
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Post by George on Jul 27, 2011 8:18:43 GMT 10
Of course Breivik is a "man of faith".
Just like any other deranged religious and/or political zealot he posesses an unshakeable faith in his own inherent superiority to the rest of humanity - which is why he managed to convince himself of the "correctness" of the notion that an asocial fantasist nutbag can and should annoint himself judge, jury and executioner of over 60 innocent strangers.
It's the same wildly delusional sense of self-importance that afflicts many in the micronation world.
In my experience, the more inflated the sense of self-importance, the smaller the likelihood that the person who espouses the notion actually is important.
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Post by papapodjov on Jul 27, 2011 18:32:24 GMT 10
Well, 'Darwinian Terrorist' is certainly a new one for me...
A single nutter filled with an violent ego that is out of control and is a fantasist nutball is HUMAN... He may be secular, he may call himself whatever the hell he likes... but he is clearly wrong. Jumping on the chance to blame other 'ism's' (in this case secularism) only turns a tragedy into a point scoring competition between competing ideologies...
Fact is... many experiences contribute to whom a person becomes. The argument that he was secular and not christian, and it was this that led to his killing spree is about the same as others saying that I am who I am.... because I read To Kill A Mockingbird at school. There is a bit more to people than one 'ism'...
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Post by George on Jul 28, 2011 3:49:43 GMT 10
Sadly, one is hardpressed to find anyone prepared to commit murder on behalf of rational humanism.
If there were, the problems imposed on humanity by the Breiviks, Murdochs, Moncktons and similar lunar rightist zealots might well be somewhat mitigated.
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Post by rareearth on Jul 28, 2011 12:10:41 GMT 10
Of course Breivik is a "man of faith". Just like any other deranged religious and/or political zealot he posesses an unshakeable faith in his own inherent superiority to the rest of humanity - which is why he managed to convince himself of the "correctness" of the notion that an asocial fantasist nutbag can and should annoint himself judge, jury and executioner of over 60 innocent strangers. It's the same wildly delusional sense of self-importance that afflicts many in the micronation world. In my experience, the more inflated the sense of self-importance, the smaller the likelihood that the person who espouses the notion actually is important. George, come on! If this guy is a man of faith, then Mao Tse-tung (or Mao Zedong) was a man of faith. If this guy is a man of faith, then Joseph Stalin was a man of faith. Nonsense. Both these people were atheists: www.adherents.com/adh_influ.htmlIf this guy is a man of faith, then Adolf Hitler was a man of faith. Hitler was raised by a skeptic father and Catholic mother, but after childhood he ceased to participate in the Sacraments completely. Hitler is most similar to the aforementioned idiot not just in his politics, but also in his use of religion only for political gain. Both Hitler and the idiot have rejected Catholicism or Christianity: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler%27s_religious_viewsJust because one claims to be a man of reason, because he thinks religion is superstition, doesn't mean he is actually rational, or even moral. There have been people of religion with less than stellar ethical reputations, and there have been many atheists or agnostics that were also ethical basket cases. Both Hitler and the idiot are also hypocrites, because Christianity is defended (not embraced), but the moral basis of Christianity, which is largely in Yeshua Hanotzri, nobody else, is totally abandoned. The superiority of the White race was a matter of importance to both Hitler and the idiot, but ultimately neither of them showed to be part of a superior race in any way, physically or spiritually. The only thing they are superior to compared with everybody else is unwarranted ego, but that is the real common foundation to either the atheistic or religious kind of ethical basket cases.
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Post by George on Jul 28, 2011 12:53:31 GMT 10
It doesn't matter if you call your religion Christianity, Communism, Islam, National Socialism or Iridology; the fact is they are all theoretical constructs with no basis in reality.
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Post by sogoln on Jul 28, 2011 23:34:17 GMT 10
Atheism is a religion too, it has its dogms and beliefs, its believers and its zealots.
My own belief is that anyone who thinks he knows the one and only truth has an ego far too big!
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Post by rareearth on Jul 29, 2011 5:18:40 GMT 10
It doesn't matter if you call your religion Christianity, Communism, Islam, National Socialism or Iridology; the fact is they are all theoretical constructs with no basis in reality. The only theoretical construct I know, George, is the product of man's feeble mind, so it must be one of your ideas too. Analytic theology appears to be a theoretical construct, but for some strange reason things keep coming to life, things that did not exist before, from those Cartesian coordinates, so it probably isn't a theoretical construct, like any well-founded idea (think of Newton's Second Law) isn't a theoretical construct either. Analytic theology probably isn't an idea of man, but a divine idea, just as my God is also no theoretical construct, and I can prove that he exists scientifically, with the use of biology, and good math, in fact!
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Post by George on Jul 29, 2011 11:30:21 GMT 10
1 + 9.7 / 23.78 * a rainbow = GOD
This is irrefutable PROOF !
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Post by Dagostinia on Jul 30, 2011 8:18:09 GMT 10
That is a fascinating equation George for the following reason: If 'rainbow' = 7 as derived from the number of colors (ROYGBIV), you'll find that the answer is 3.1497... This is a close approximation of pi. Much like God, we can approximate pi but never reach it truly.
My deep thoughts for the week or month or however long until I have another one.
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Post by sogoln on Jul 30, 2011 8:36:16 GMT 10
42!
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Post by George on Jul 31, 2011 18:02:16 GMT 10
That is a fascinating equation George for the following reason: If 'rainbow' = 7 as derived from the number of colors (ROYGBIV), you'll find that the answer is 3.1497... This is a close approximation of pi. Eureka! This MUST mean that *I* am GOD! Much like God, we can approximate pi but never reach it truly. Well this god declares that all who want pie shall have pie - be it cherry, apple, mince, mungbean or humble! ;D
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