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Post by Matthew Burklandssen on Sept 24, 2011 1:50:04 GMT 10
Because foot-inch acts like it is better than metric because it was originally made by the British Empire.
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Post by Dagostinia on Sept 24, 2011 2:32:18 GMT 10
Because foot-inch acts like it is better than metric because it was originally made by the British Empire. Of course it's better! Decimal systems just aren't as functional as dozenal. Decimal has 2 divisors, 2 and 5 (1 and self not counted) whereas dozenal has 4 divisors, 2, 3, 4, and 6. Decimal only seems better because we have ten fingers and learn to count on them. Dozenal is way better for everyday use. See sites.google.com/site/dagostiniasov/culturaldepartment/weightsmeasures for more of our thoughts. Or see en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duodecimal for more support. /rant Strangely, tridecimal seems to be the best system for a calendar.
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Post by George on Sept 24, 2011 4:46:52 GMT 10
Alexander Reinhardt is the pseudonym of Jacopo Casteletti.
Imperial measurements are special because they were invented by god. So says the queen of "more British than Britain" West Florida.
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Post by Matthew Burklandssen on Sept 24, 2011 5:46:09 GMT 10
I like that "more British than Britain" joke. Basically, their whole micronation is based on making sure Queen Elizabeth II doesn't say "WHY WOULD WE WANT WEST FLORIDA!".
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Post by Chas Jago on Sept 24, 2011 6:56:26 GMT 10
The Decimal systems is easier to teach in schools.
Pretty much the only ones who use Feet and inches is the UK and US, rest of the world saw the light and moved to Decimals.
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Post by George on Sept 24, 2011 7:48:23 GMT 10
Agreed. Now we just need to extend it to calendars ( done!) and clocks (we're working on it).
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Post by sogoln on Sept 25, 2011 8:26:25 GMT 10
Decimal clocks is not a very good idea as long as you live on Earth.
Because either you have to choose another unit than the second and you ruin a large number of formulas people had a hard time to find or learn, or you have days with a strange duration (86400 seconds).
It's just like measuring angles in grades instead of degrees or radians, it sucks and doesn't help.
However, if you consider looking for a unit for people leaving on other planets or in space, a decimal system based on the second could make sense.
After all, isolation studies have shown that the human physiology easily adapts to a longer cycle than 24 hours and 100 kiloseconds are equal to 27h 46m 40s, which is suitable for a "day". So this could be the useful basis for a reference "Stardate" that would be decimal. Note that 100 megaseconds are roughly equal to 3 years and that human life expectancy falls short of 3 Gigaseconds.
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Post by Dagostinia on Sept 27, 2011 1:35:04 GMT 10
The Decimal systems is easier to teach in schools. Why, because we have ten fingers? Consider the three phalange sections of each of the four fingers. Use your thumb as a counter and you can tap out 12 on one hand. Use the other hand for dozens places and you can tap out 144 without much effort. After the calendar and clock are "fixed" what's next? Music? Lat/long? Shipping and packing systems? Beer?
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Post by Lykos Packleader on Sept 27, 2011 3:29:30 GMT 10
Heyla, Actually, A citizen of another national project (forget the name just now) came up with a rather interesting series of designations, and I like it. Although symbolically Lykosha touts the Lunar calendar, I direct you to the following URL: zapatopi.net/metrictime/I rather like the "deciday, centiday," etc. idea, and couldn't it be "Latinized" just like in Atlantium's calendar? If somebody manages to make the clock online like a calendar, I'd promote it, too --- [back to you, George]
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Post by George on Sept 27, 2011 9:50:18 GMT 10
Atlantium's proposed metric time system is similar to the French Revolutionary system.
The base SI time unit is the "Nunc" (Latinfor "now", ie "this moment"), being equivalent to the second.
We also propose to replace the system of timezones with a single global timezone, with 0 hour measured from a designated meridian.
I'll dig up the other details when I get home.
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Post by Dagostinia on Sept 28, 2011 1:09:04 GMT 10
Sorry I got us off topic from passports. Perhaps we need another thread to debate decimal vs dozenal systems.
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Post by George on Sept 28, 2011 6:50:29 GMT 10
These are Atlantium's proposed SI time units
1 day = 1 hectonunc (hn) 1 hectonunc = 100 nuncs (n) 1 nunc = 1000 millinuncs (mn)
Contrary to my post above, the base unit, the Nunc, is 14.4 old-style minutes in duration.
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Post by Dagostinia on Sept 29, 2011 1:42:46 GMT 10
I visited the metric time calendar. I like the clock in the upper corner. But since the equivalent of the second is actually .86 seconds long, I started hyperventilating and my biorhythm was disturbed. I felt like I needed to hurry up.
But nobody has yet said WHY decimal is better than dozenal. Y'all can explain how to do it, but you haven't addressed my concerns of decimal inferiority. Chasj said it is easier to teach in schools but didn't back it up.
George, kudos for moving all the relevant posts. More than I was expecting could be done. I edited my last post on the passport thread to redirect any further thoughts to this thread.
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Post by Chas Jago on Sept 29, 2011 3:50:53 GMT 10
I'm sorry but I object to any change to the time or date systems currently used. For one the learning curve would be huge! and for two why change a system that is used by every single person on the planet and is set to the rotational action of the planet?
Personally for me its a stupid move.
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Post by George on Sept 29, 2011 6:08:55 GMT 10
Decimal is better beacuse it's easier to calculate in one's head.
I'm 44 years old, and I still cannot work out hours, minutes and seconds (which I have to do regularly as a radio producer) unless I have a pen, a piece of paper and calculator in front of me.
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Post by Lykos Packleader on Sept 29, 2011 6:27:21 GMT 10
Heyla to all ---
George, which longitudenal (sp?) meridian was Atlantium proposing? And do you know of any other micronations which support Metric or Decimalised Time besides TorHavn (along with Esperanto) and Cascadia (see the URL above)?
To: the Monarch of Dagostinia, my chief reason for supporting Metric Time is the ease of use, as well as the concept of a singular Pack --- "The strength of the Wolf is the Pack; the strength of the Pack is the Wolf." Yes, now it's out; since the (fictional) world that became the inspiration I used for the creation of Lykosha had one people, one culture (with regional variants), one language, etc. one might realize that it's logical to conclude that such things would be far more "comfortable" for me than its opposite.
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Post by George on Sept 29, 2011 8:25:21 GMT 10
The zero-hour meridian for Atlantium's decimal time system is almost certain to measured from a designated co-ordinate within the borders of Aurora - specifically at the site of our planned outdoor observatory.
Similar to the Greenwich Meridian, this will be marked on the ground, so tourists can have their picture taken while "straddling the line".
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Post by Dagostinia on Sept 30, 2011 2:57:28 GMT 10
Decimal is better beacuse it's easier to calculate in one's head. Call me an anklebiter if you will but, WHY? Why is it easier to calculate? I maintain it's because we have ten fingers and we're stuck with thinking that way. It's merely a learning curve. I'm 44 years old, and I still cannot work out hours, minutes and seconds (which I have to do regularly as a radio producer) unless I have a pen, a piece of paper and calculator in front of me. So what do you do when friends are coming and you're buying beer? Get out pen and paper to calculate cases? But now I am intrigued to know from a demographic position what sorts of people find it difficult to calculate outside of base-10. Living in an SI region of the world, I've found it very easy to learn to calculate in base-12 (time, inches) as well as base-16 (subset of inches, hexadecimal). The difference is that I don't try to use letters to fill in for the numbers. If I'm calculating in base 12 I simply use 12, 24, 36, 48, etc. Likewise for 16. All those hex color codes for html just confuse me. Not to sound conceited. Just trying to blow this open to explore it.
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Post by George on Sept 30, 2011 6:37:35 GMT 10
So what do you do when friends are coming and you're buying beer? Get out pen and paper to calculate cases? No, we just buy ten cases. Duh!
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Post by George on Sept 30, 2011 9:50:27 GMT 10
Ultimately, people are lazy.
We're all used to counting in decimal because we are born with 10 fingers.
Having to learn an alternative non-decimal system for use in particular occasional day-to-day situations - in addition to decimal - is just too hard.
It adds complexity to situations where people don't want or need added complexity.
It's a bit like micronations, really.
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Post by Matthew Burklandssen on Sept 30, 2011 12:44:59 GMT 10
Ultimately, people are lazy. We're all used to counting in decimal because we are born with 10 fingers. Having to learn an alternative non-decimal system for use in particular occasional day-to-day situations - in addition to decimal - is just too hard. It adds complexity to situations where people don't want or need added complexity. It's a bit like micronations, really. This
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Post by Dagostinia on Oct 1, 2011 1:38:33 GMT 10
No, we just buy ten cases. Duh! This one was an aha moment. It's a bit like micronations, really. But this one made me truly LOL.
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Post by sogoln on Oct 1, 2011 18:30:49 GMT 10
I you want to use a duodecimal system, then use a duodecimal numbering system.
Since we commonly use a decimal numbering system with only 10 figures (0 to 9), decimal units are easier to handle.
Our number of fingers does not matter, it only explains, why, at first, the Arabic (actually Indian) numbering system was decimal (as was the Roman system it replaced).
I knew some people (informaticians) who commonly counted in hexadecimal...
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Post by George on Oct 4, 2011 7:59:00 GMT 10
Great mysteries of the world:
Why do The Simpsons count in decimal ?
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Post by Dagostinia on Oct 5, 2011 1:16:12 GMT 10
Homer and Bart can count to nine...
Good point though, you'd think they'd live in an octal world. The symbol '9' should be as foreign to them as the color flesh.
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Post by Lykos Packleader on Oct 7, 2011 6:54:22 GMT 10
Heyla, Yet another idea for a decimalized calendar: gorm.wordpress.com/2009/05/09/revision-of-the-rational-calendar/It's interesting how many differing interpretations for metric time can be had, isn't it? Like this one, I like the idea of "deciday," as I said before. There's a Youtube entry with a depiction of a decimal clock, but of course, now I can't find it. Help?
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Post by Dagostinia on Oct 8, 2011 1:35:56 GMT 10
Ugh, too much intercalary work. And the extra holidays will make for too much inner calorie work.
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