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Post by George on Jun 17, 2009 9:29:58 GMT 10
Some might argue that a nation not founded upon enforceable laws is no nation at all.
Laws are the necessary foundation of civilised society.
What many people don't understand is that laws are supposed to be coercive - and that this is a good thing.
Laws don't work because people "feel good" about obeying them; they work because people fear the threat of the punishment / ostracision that may follow from breaking them.
That is how the human brain is hard-wired to function, and the systems of law that have governed every society since the Stone Age have been evolved with that fundamental reality in mind.
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Post by Rex TorHavn on Jun 18, 2009 9:20:45 GMT 10
' […snip….] Finally, you have to seperate assisted suicide from euthanasia. Ending the life of a woman crippled by a terminal illness is not the same as somebody killing themselves because they are depressed. If somebody is having a poor quality of life because of an illness, they have the right to die should they wish to. But that doesnt mean we should allow people who have nothing wrong with them to be euthanised. I know that legally this would open up a can of worms in itself, but I believe firmly that euthanasia should be legal if the person has a serious terminal illness which impinges on their ability to live their lives fully. But even then there should be regulations on who has to give their consent first. Its a sticky issue, and I dont think its one that can be solved easily. …. This is true, but although TorHavnand/or Lykosha does not differentiate between these, perhaps (now that it's been brought up), perhaps we (they) should. I myself cannot see insisting that someone who wishes to be dead -- for whatever reason -- stay alive, but there is the issue of cost, and the fact that some doctors might have a problem (ethical and/or religious) --- seems I also can't see forcing a doctor to do that. Tentatively, we recommend perhaps that before euthanasia should only be allowed if the person applying for it agrees to a term of ( ) months of emotional/spiritual counseling (not with the goal of preventing the suicide, but instead to allow the applicant the possibility of standing back [from the center of the explosion] and dispassionately judging the consequences). It should, in my opinion, not be the intent of the counselor of enforcing their personal opinion, but only to facilitate a rational decision.
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Post by indigo on Jun 18, 2009 12:16:29 GMT 10
Some might argue that a nation not founded upon enforceable laws is no nation at all. Laws are the necessary foundation of civilised society. The statement, "You shall not deny a God of His/Her possessions" is a law, believe it or not, just as there is a law against theft in most countries. "You shall not deny a God the right to exercise His/Her beliefs" is another law. In the US the equivalent is the First Amendment. What many people don't understand is that laws are supposed to be coercive - and that this is a good thing. Laws don't work because people "feel good" about obeying them; they work because people fear the threat of the punishment / ostracision that may follow from breaking them. That is how the human brain is hard-wired to function, and the systems of law that have governed every society since the Stone Age have been evolved with that fundamental reality in mind. And what you don't understand is that... Hell is for children...And you have to be 14 or older to become a God of UMMOA. Paradise (or Utopia) is a different place than hell (or dystopia), you know. I don't expect human beings to know anything about Utopia, but there is a pretty good definition of dystopia in the Wikipedia: A dystopia ... is the vision of a society in which conditions of life are miserable and characterized by poverty, oppression, war, violence, disease, pollution, and/or the abridgement of human rights, resulting in widespread unhappiness, suffering, and other kinds of pain. Now, if my business is to duplicate the above, then what right do I have to even found another nation? I can't promise Paradise to everyone, because most people don't deserve Paradise. Sorry, but that's the truth, and if you haven't figured it out yet, you'll figure it out once and for all on Judgment Day. But I will promise that if you learn from what I discovered, you will actually be pretty happy. I can only guarantee that to those who are willing to listen and learn, not to those that already believe they know more than myself. I cannot help those people because they cannot even help themselves. Paradise, in fact, is a lot about helping yourself, not being prevented of doing that with stupid laws designed to reward thieves, and punish hard-working people. Even the debt-based money we use is hardwired to produce poverty, not to fight it. I don't think bankers are smarter than myself. They actually never were, otherwise they would have figured out what I figured out, because it is not rocket science, just advanced theology that makes the so-called science of economics look like the product of dozens of monkeys typing at keyboards, hoping to somehow produce intelligent sentences from chaos, not deliberate, brutal, and God-like logic.
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Post by George on Jun 18, 2009 12:39:57 GMT 10
Economics is not a science.
It's an arcane, meaningless faith-based craft, comparable to alchemy, astrology and voodoo.
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Post by George on Jun 18, 2009 12:44:17 GMT 10
Hell is not for children.
Hell is children... or so I've been told by many parents . ;D
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Post by commiczar on Jun 18, 2009 12:47:01 GMT 10
Economics is not a science. It's an arcane, meaningless faith-based craft, comparable to alchemy, astrology and voodoo. Are you talking about "micronationalism" ? ;D
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Post by commiczar on Jun 18, 2009 12:49:19 GMT 10
Hell is not for children. Hell is children... or so I've been told by many parents . ;D No....not in my case, as I've got Children and GrandChildren; and although there are times that they test my very soul, I would not think of having it any other way. ( they can be "little devils" @ times ;D )
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Post by D. N. Vercáriâ on Jun 18, 2009 17:30:20 GMT 10
Economics is not a science. It's an arcane, meaningless faith-based craft, comparable to alchemy, astrology and voodoo. *APPLAUSE and grateful laughter*
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Post by George on Jun 18, 2009 18:18:31 GMT 10
<takes a bow>
...and for my next trick...
...does anyone know what expression rocket scientists use when discussing simple concepts with each other?
They can't exactly say "it's not rocket science"... because in their case, it always is !
;D
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Post by Eoin Ursüm on Jun 18, 2009 19:42:37 GMT 10
But of course, they will call themselves 'aerospace engineers.'
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Post by C Carlüs Xheráltsëfiglheu on Jun 19, 2009 0:23:10 GMT 10
<takes a bow> ...and for my next trick... ...does anyone know what expression rocket scientists use when discussing simple concepts with each other? They can't exactly say "it's not rocket science"... because in their case, it always is ! ;D That reminds me of a comedy sketch show that I happened to watch last week...
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Post by J on Jun 19, 2009 12:44:05 GMT 10
They can't exactly say "it's not rocket science"... because in their case, it always is ! ;D Never thought of that. You're right, Paris Hilton isn't as dumb as she looks.
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Post by Bokonton on Jun 20, 2009 2:19:19 GMT 10
are the rights acquired simply by reaching the age of 14, or do 14+s have to complete set tasks to be protected by the law?
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Post by Bokonton on Jun 20, 2009 2:25:29 GMT 10
Hell is not for children. Hell is children... or so I've been told by many parents . ;D No....not in my case, as I've got Children and GrandChildren; and although there are times that they test my very soul, I would not think of having it any other way. ( they can be "little devils" @ times ;D ) Although childless myself, 4 brothers my junior ranging from 3 years younger to 9 years younger does make me see your point. And if I had the chance to erase them from my life, I would just stand and stare stupidly at the person who just suggested that. It's almost certainly gauranteed that I won't take parenthood lightly, though
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