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Post by rareearth on Apr 20, 2011 2:06:49 GMT 10
In the years since I started my activity as a micronationalist (November 1998 circa), I've witnessed the death of many people from afar... cesidian.org/admemoriam.html...to very close to home... liliana.tallini.orgIf micronationalism were entirely ephemeral, as the admins of the Wikipedia tell us, there would only be dead micronations, not dead micronationalists! Let us stop and meditate/pray for this micronationalist probably most of us never knew, but with whom all true micronationalists can identify: Nick Maggiore has passed awaystcharlianobserver.wordpress.com/2011/04/17/nick-maggiore/Let us live as Nick Maggiore would have lived if certified Fifth World Health Organisation members could have taken care of him, instead of licenced First World doctors of medicine, whose motto is no longer "Do no harm", but rather "Do only harm".
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Post by George on Apr 20, 2011 14:50:44 GMT 10
Do you have any empirical evidence supporting that statement?
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Post by George on Apr 20, 2011 18:42:17 GMT 10
I must say that I find the sort of 'public grief grandstanding' being displayed by most of the posters at the link provided to be both deeply repugnant and profoundly offensive. The unfortunate passing of a young person - who I doubt many of them knew in any meaningful manner - is not, in my opinion, an opportunity to post bombastic declarations on behalf of some silly micronation. Condolences, if they are sent, should be communicated privately and directly to the family of the deceased.
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Post by rareearth on Apr 21, 2011 4:48:19 GMT 10
I disagree with your assessment. Condolences to the family/friends of a Head of State, Minister, or anyone else who may have given a great deal to his country/nation (like the soldier who received a Purple Heart, etc.) are almost never a private affair. It is insignificant people who receive condolences in private, even when he/she receives the condolences from a Head of State. Besides that, the bombastic "St.Charlie" was mentioned only once in the article directly, which overall seems more like eulogy for Nick Maggiore than for St.Charlie. We also don't know whether condolences WERE ACTUALLY SENT from the St.Charlie government to the family, because Nick Maggiore may not have a website like the one below, so you are only judging details you really don't have, and perhaps you don't have them because they are actual PRIVATE DETAILS. italo.tallini.org
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Post by George on Apr 21, 2011 6:34:34 GMT 10
I'm not concerned by Jacopo Casteletti's original post; he obviously knew the deceased personally, and his comments are both heartfelt and respectful.
I'm bothered by the long list of respondents who used the opportunity to grandstand on behalf of their micronations.
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Post by Zandrovia on Apr 21, 2011 16:04:43 GMT 10
Unfortunately people tend to use tragedy for their own personal reasons. I often wonder why it is that we spend so little time showing our appreciation for others when they are alive and can cherish the praise an support, it is only after someone has passed that we then have kind words for them.
I feel for those dealing with this loss.
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Post by George on Apr 21, 2011 16:25:36 GMT 10
I agree.
It's an odd phenomenon which I've been troubled by for some time.
It seems that whenever there is some major natural disaster or other unfortunate global newsworthy event, many micronationalists seem to feel compelled to respond by publicly declaring their micronation's solidarity with the victims via a forum or blog comment.
Most of them are little more than banal, knee-jerk "look at me" statements.
I find this rather disturbing, as it's really nothing more than a selfish attempt to trade off the misfortunes of others, without doing a whit to actually help them in any meaningful way.
In some ways it's reminiscent of the appalling orgy of manufactured public 'grief' that followed the death of Princess Diana.
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Post by Zandrovia on Apr 21, 2011 23:23:07 GMT 10
I tend to agree. While I certainly understand wanting to offer condolences, or perhaps trying to draw attention to a particular need to motivate others to get involved to help out in a particular cause, in fact, as leaders I think that is to be expected, but using tragedy as PR is rather dishonorable, to say the least. There are times when we are all struck by such profound losses that we do not know what else to do, I certainly understand that, but the question should be "What can we do?" not "How can I get my fifteen minutes of this?".
And why is it that thousands mourn for some famous person they have never met, yet do not seem to care about the needs of their own neighbors, or the suffering of people around the world? I certainly hope that if anyone ever has a kind word towards me, that I should hear of it while I walk among the living, such sentiments are of little worth once one has departed.
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Post by Dagostinia on Apr 22, 2011 1:04:12 GMT 10
When the philosopher Diogenes was among the living but quite well aged, the elders of the city approached him.
"What shall we do with your body once you die?"
"Oh, just toss me over the city walls."
"But aren't you concerned about the dogs eating your body!?"
"Then give me a stick so that I may fend them off!"
The elders wondered, left, and hopefully granted Diogenes' wish.
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Post by George on Apr 22, 2011 3:15:44 GMT 10
A wise man, that Diogenes :-)
Personally, I like the approach adopted by a certain ecentric British upper-class personnage of the 19th century, whose name I cannot presently recall, who insisted on being stuffed and seated in a glass case with his hand extending through a hole so passers-by could shake it.
From what I understand he's still sitting in the boardroom of some eminent British institution - although you can no longer shake his hand for fear of it falling off, and the head became mouldy years ago and was replaced with a wax copy.
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Post by Zandrovia on Apr 22, 2011 5:38:38 GMT 10
A wise man, that Diogenes :-) Personally, I like the approach adopted by a certain ecentric British upper-class personnage of the 19th century, whose name I cannot presently recall, who insisted on being stuffed and seated in a glass case with his hand extending through a hole so passers-by could shake it. From what I understand he's still sitting in the boardroom of some eminent British institution - although you can no longer shake his hand for fear of it falling off, and the head became mouldy years ago and was replaced with a wax copy. I wish I could think of something more articulate to say besides.....eewww Personally, I prefer the natural course of things, from dust ye came, to dust shall ye return.
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Post by George on Apr 22, 2011 7:04:23 GMT 10
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Post by George on Apr 22, 2011 8:43:43 GMT 10
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Post by rareearth on Apr 22, 2011 10:02:31 GMT 10
I'm not concerned by Jacopo Casteletti's original post; he obviously knew the deceased personally, and his comments are both heartfelt and respectful. I'm bothered by the long list of respondents who used the opportunity to grandstand on behalf of their micronations. Fair enough. However, these folks are merely imitating the Official World in this, and a lot of micronationalism is nothing new, but imitation of almost everything the states do already. There are exceptions, of course, but they are the micronations or micronational individuals which stand out.
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Post by rareearth on Apr 22, 2011 10:30:00 GMT 10
A wise man, that Diogenes :-) Personally, I like the approach adopted by a certain ecentric British upper-class personnage of the 19th century, whose name I cannot presently recall, who insisted on being stuffed and seated in a glass case with his hand extending through a hole so passers-by could shake it. From what I understand he's still sitting in the boardroom of some eminent British institution - although you can no longer shake his hand for fear of it falling off, and the head became mouldy years ago and was replaced with a wax copy. Diogenes of Sinope (412–323 BC) was definitely wise for his time, since he had gone from the political particularism which was typical of the Greeks back then, to a political universalism which puts him closer to the views of Karl Marx (1818–1883) than to your typical 4th century BC Greek. However, the problem with both political particularism and universalism is that they are both materialistic philosophies. One leads to the view that my country is better than your country, while the other leads to the view that the earth is my oyster (and empire/colony/plantation). Personally I favour a non-terrestrial form of politics, a kind of political spiritualism that holds landlubbers, whether particularists or universalists, in complete contempt. This, I believe, is fifth worldism or micronationalism at its finest.
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Post by Zandrovia on Apr 23, 2011 6:33:03 GMT 10
I am not sure which registers higher on the creepy scale, the head itself or the fact that people actually wanted to steal it
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Post by Zandrovia on Apr 23, 2011 6:35:04 GMT 10
I'm not concerned by Jacopo Casteletti's original post; he obviously knew the deceased personally, and his comments are both heartfelt and respectful. I'm bothered by the long list of respondents who used the opportunity to grandstand on behalf of their micronations. Fair enough. However, these folks are merely imitating the Official World in this, and a lot of micronationalism is nothing new, but imitation of almost everything the states do already. There are exceptions, of course, but they are the micronations or micronational individuals which stand out. This is something that I have never understood, I mean, if the current systems are working so well, what is the point in a micronation in the first place? And if they, obviously, are NOT working, then why try to immitate and duplicate a failed model? What is it that Eistein said about insanity and repeating the same behavior?
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Post by George on Apr 23, 2011 6:45:10 GMT 10
What is it that Eistein said about insanity and repeating the same behavior? Dewaco, Bahoudii, British West Florida, Yan, Malatora. Need I say more?
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Post by Zandrovia on Apr 23, 2011 6:54:20 GMT 10
Indeed.... I think DeWACKO is a suitable name for most of those on the list. There should be some sort of sanity test for micronationalists, lol.
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Post by George on Apr 23, 2011 7:31:11 GMT 10
Micronational insanity test:
Q: Are you insane, partially insane, planning to go insane, know someone who's insane, eccentric or otherwise odd in any way?
A: Yes.
OK, you're in :-)
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Post by rareearth on Apr 23, 2011 8:54:49 GMT 10
This is something that I have never understood, I mean, if the current systems are working so well, what is the point in a micronation in the first place? And if they, obviously, are NOT working, then why try to immitate and duplicate a failed model? What is it that Eistein said about insanity and repeating the same behavior? You are right about that. Unfortunately the world, even the micronational world, is full of sheeple, not creators.
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Post by Zandrovia on Apr 26, 2011 0:31:37 GMT 10
Micronational insanity test: Q: Are you insane, partially insane, planning to go insane, know someone who's insane, eccentric or otherwise odd in any way? A: Yes. OK, you're in :-) Wait...I thought that was the test for the UN?
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Post by Zandrovia on Apr 26, 2011 0:32:07 GMT 10
This is something that I have never understood, I mean, if the current systems are working so well, what is the point in a micronation in the first place? And if they, obviously, are NOT working, then why try to immitate and duplicate a failed model? What is it that Eistein said about insanity and repeating the same behavior? You are right about that. Unfortunately the world, even the micronational world, is full of sheeple, not creators. Unfortunately you are quite right about that.
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Post by a1 on Apr 29, 2011 12:00:25 GMT 10
Let us live as Nick Maggiore would have lived if certified Fifth World Health Organisation members could have taken care of him, instead of licenced First World doctors of medicine, whose motto is no longer "Do no harm", but rather "Do only harm". You disgust me.
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Post by halfpastlunch on Apr 29, 2011 17:52:01 GMT 10
From a post in the MicroWiki Fora...
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Post by jt on Apr 29, 2011 18:01:30 GMT 10
Tallini, you certainly are one low down cockroach. You grandstand your fake condolence only in order that you might promote yourself.
Your post is a disgrace and so are you. Pedalling your "Fifth World Health Organisation" using the death of a member of this community as little more than fuel for your engine of narcissism and self promotion sickens me and should have sickened everyone who read it previously.
Modern medicine is Modern mans fight against death, and sometimes there may be casualties and failed cases, but crackpots like you promoting your "alternatives" are going to take us further into the darkness and not, like modern scientific processes such as medicine, into the bright future.
The future will judge your contribution to this community, and will find it little more than a mad ego-centrist narcissist with little brains and less tact.
Good day to you,
Jacob Tierney
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Post by George on May 3, 2011 20:42:27 GMT 10
It has come to my attention that the last few posts above were made as a direct consequence of this series of hysterical rants initiated by well-known pompous micronational narcissist twat Philip Mallis (who uses the pseudonym "Philip Fish"). While this sort of puerile, completely-missing-the-point hormonal idiocy is par for the course with Mr Mallis and his coterie of micronational fantasist groupies, it is entirely unacceptable here - and I have therefore locked the thread. Anyone who attempts to revive it will earn themselves an instant permanent account block.
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