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Post by Jason Mckerra on Aug 16, 2009 11:45:12 GMT 10
The Republic of Lavalon doesn't exactly have a fairly rigorous citizenship application process. You give us some details and write a couple of lines about why you want to join, the why you want to join section gets posted in a forum, if no one objects in three days, you're accepted. We're fairly open, I like to think that wanting to join is enough qualification to join. But occasionally I get an application that just has to get rejected. Today I received an application, all proper and complete, and in the expectations section, this individual had written:
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Post by George on Aug 16, 2009 12:35:02 GMT 10
There has always been a disproportionate amount of interest in micronations from military fetishists. It can be largely attributed to male pubescent posturing and adolescent (lack of) control fantasies. Most of them grow out of it. Those who suffer arrested development or other forms of mental retardation apparently spend the remainder of their lives fantasising about becoming monstrous cyborgs. Go figure.
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Post by D. N. Vercáriâ on Aug 16, 2009 22:54:18 GMT 10
Hm, those micronations I am or I have been in never attracted military fetishists, nor did those nationettes that I heard of, so I haven't been aware of the phenomenon of military fetishism amongst micronationalists, no matter what age.
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Post by Jason Mckerra on Aug 16, 2009 23:52:09 GMT 10
Consider yourself eminently lucky. I've encountered a few who's obsession with militaria in micronations is extremely off putting.
I've revamped Lavalon's citizenship application form in the hope of dissuading such undesirable applications in future.
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Post by George on Aug 17, 2009 8:05:28 GMT 10
Indeed.
A cursory study of most micronations reveals that their creation by the self-declared king/president, is almost always very closely followed by the appointment of said king/president's best friend to the role of military strongman.
Said strongman then puts in place a highly developed military hierarchy with dozens of ranks and their supposed insignia. This "military" - which is of course entirely imaginary - is often larger than the rest of the micronation's equally imaginary "government" put together, losing the enterprise any wider credibility it might have ever had a hope of posessing. From there, things often quickly devolve into idiotic "declarations of war" on anyone who doesn't (to paraphrase South Park) "respect ma authoritah!".
All very ho-hum, really.
This is particularly apparent in the non-physical micronation world
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Post by commiczar on Aug 19, 2009 5:26:31 GMT 10
Personally...........( views expressed pertain to those micronations that approach the Micronational Movement from a "lifestyle" view, and not from a "hobbist" viewpoint )
I am a proud micronationalist, as well as a Vietnam Veteran; and from my life experiences, any nation ( micro and macro ) that doesn't incorporate at least *some* military aspects within it's infrastructure, is a nation that will eventually cease-to-exist...as there are those who will seek to destroy any nation that it finds to be defense-less. ( defense systems: virtual and/or physical )
I'm not saying one has to have a full-fledged military apparatus in place, that is centered around an offensive doctrine; but something along the lines of a defensive doctrine; whereby, the MicroGovt can at least attempt to protect it's people and property. ( from micro and/or macro )
Of course, it really all depends upon the level / degree that one has plans for his or her micronation; which is where the "hobby" and the "lifestyle" of micronationalism meets one another.
Hunting, camping, paintball, lazer-tag, etc.....*ALL* serve as "fun" and "function" for the citizens of any micronation; and help to connect said citizens in a spirit of brotherhood; as comrades can accomplish great things within their macro and micro lives...when the left hand knows what the right hand is doing.
The *easist* thing to do, is to *NOT* invest in any form of military apparatus, and to call those who do names; however, the "hardest" ( but most fun and rewarding ) thing to do, is to spend a little time, and a little capital on equipments that focus on fun and function, such as camping, hiking, war-game exercises ( paintball / lazer-tag ).
A MicroMilitary Apparatus mimics the majority of the major "macro" nations; but can be both "fun"...and..."functional" at the same time. ______________________________________
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Post by George on Aug 19, 2009 6:09:12 GMT 10
I don't disagree.
Your own activities are undoubtedly real, and fulfil a number of useful real-world functions with respect to your agricultural business operations.
The fascination with all things "military" that I've observed in many many micronations over many years is an entirely different affair; it is usually propagated - indeed, celebrated - as an obscene glorification of violence, by people who have no actual real world military experience - nor are ever likely to.
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Post by sogoln on Aug 19, 2009 6:31:28 GMT 10
... from my life experiences, any nation ( micro and macro ) that doesn't incorporate at least *some* military aspects within it's infrastructure, is a nation that will eventually cease-to-exist... Andorra, Costa Rica, Dominica, Grenada, Iceland, Kiribati, Liechtenstein, Mauritius, Nauru, Palau, Solomon Islands, Tuvalu and Vanuatu don't have military forces. There might be others. The provisional Formori Carta prevents us from setting up any kind of military forces.
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Post by D. N. Vercáriâ on Aug 19, 2009 7:00:52 GMT 10
Howsoever real or bizarre the land claims of the Republic of Talossa may be, we know that as a nationette of less than 20 citizens we can't defend ourselves with any other means than the power of our wit. Even if we were 1000 or 10000, it would be absurd to rely on weapons and military forces. So, honestly and impolitely said, we're not wasting our precious time on pondering this kind of bull****.
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Post by commiczar on Aug 19, 2009 7:14:41 GMT 10
I don't disagree. Your own activities are undoubtedly real, and fulfil a number of useful real-world functions with respect to your agricultural business operations. The fascination with all things "military" that I've observed in many many micronations over many years is an entirely different affair; it is usually propagated - indeed, celebrated - as an obscene glorification of violence, by people who have no actual real world military experience - nor are ever likely to. I understand, and agree with your observations.
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Post by George on Aug 19, 2009 7:16:26 GMT 10
In response to Dieter:
Agreed.
Any micronation that even thinks about asserting "indepence" via military means will end up like the nutters from Waco.
And a good thing, too.
The only viable path to success in the present day and age lies in securing the active co-operation of one's neighbours - not their emnity.
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Post by commiczar on Aug 19, 2009 7:30:39 GMT 10
... from my life experiences, any nation ( micro and macro ) that doesn't incorporate at least *some* military aspects within it's infrastructure, is a nation that will eventually cease-to-exist... Andorra, Costa Rica, Dominica, Grenada, Iceland, Kiribati, Liechtenstein, Mauritius, Nauru, Palau, Solomon Islands, Tuvalu and Vanuatu don't have military forces. There might be others. The provisional Formori Carta prevents us from setting up any kind of military forces. I accept your list: However.........I was referring to: Which is where we have a slight difference in our views; as it is my own personal opinion, that a MicroGovt must at least attempt to model itself after a "major-macro" nation in any and all aspects. Why...?...one may ask......... The old idea....that if one "shoots for the stars, he / she might make it to the moon......and not only to a cloud".[/i] __________________________________________________ If I may ask........... Are there no provisions whereby you can establish some sort of a "Defense Department"; whereby your citizens could enjoy the "fun" part of the word "functional" ?( i.e. lazer-tag, paintball, target practice, hunting & camping, etc ) Not trying to encourage anyone to go against his or her personal or professional agendas; only offering my personal opinion on the fact that I believe the rewards associated with such an apparatus outweigh the risk associated with such an apparatus.
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Post by commiczar on Aug 19, 2009 7:52:07 GMT 10
Howsoever real or bizarre the land claims of the Republic of Talossa may be, we know that as a nationette of less than 20 citizens we can't defend ourselves with any other means than the power of our wit. Even if we were 1000 or 10000, it would be absurd to rely on weapons and military forces. So, honestly and impolitely said, we're not wasting our precious time on pondering this kind of bull****[/size].[/quote] I respect your honest and impolite views 110%........ and can only express my views; which serve our wants-and-needs here in the Imperium. I'm use to walking in bull$h!+ on a daily basis ( horse$h!+ and pig$h!+ too ) ;D; and can only offer a well known fact............. bull$h!+ ( "almost" any $H!+ for that matter ), if left alone only stinks and draws flies, and eventually decays; but if properly applied to an area of soil, it can serve as a fertilizer, which will produce food and/or flowers, etc...... ;D ( i.e. do nothing = nothing / do something = something ) I never suggested that any MicroMilitary Machine should be, or could be, used against any "macro" power; merely meant to offer a viewpoint on the benefits associated with such an apparatus: i.e. paintball, lazar-tag, target practice, hunting & camping, etc... ( the above serve as "fun" and "function" ) I'll be the first to admit...that my views regarding this subject, are based upon several years of active duty in a "macro" military; and the experiences that I shared with my fellow comrades have been passed on to my Children and their Children....more in the form of "fun"....i.e.....paintball, lazar-tag, target practice, hunting & camping, etc... ( all of the above activities generate individual and group pride ) ( which work well in the micro and the macro worlds ) __________________________________________________
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Post by sogoln on Aug 19, 2009 16:31:27 GMT 10
We have a fencing team, but it is more considered as sport and fun than anything military.
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Post by George on Aug 19, 2009 17:11:06 GMT 10
Send them down! We have about 5 kilometres of fencing that's in serious need of repair at Aurora...
...oh... wrong sort of fencing.
Damn.
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Post by commiczar on Aug 21, 2009 2:07:28 GMT 10
Send them down! We have about 5 kilometres of fencing that's in serious need of repair at Aurora... ...oh... wrong sort of fencing. Damn. ;D I could send an Amish Crew to You ! ( provided that you pay for their travel expenses ) ;D I use the Amish to do a lot of work ( including fence installation and repairs ), and would / could highly recommend their quality of work, and their labor expense. ;D ___________________________________________________
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Post by George on Aug 21, 2009 7:31:28 GMT 10
Can't afford airfaires for a gang of Amish fencers.
Can't they just ride over in a buggy like normal Amish?
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Post by commiczar on Aug 21, 2009 8:08:56 GMT 10
The New Order Amish ( younger generations ) might be able to adapt their buggies with a outboard motor.
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Post by George on Aug 21, 2009 10:02:42 GMT 10
The New Order Amish ( younger generations ) might be able to adapt their buggies with a outboard motor. ...sort of like an Amish amphibious landing vehicle. I like the idea! The inclusion of one or two of those could have made Witness a much more interesting film. Go ahead... make my day John Book! ;D
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Post by George on Aug 21, 2009 15:24:05 GMT 10
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Post by commiczar on Aug 22, 2009 4:19:33 GMT 10
The New Order Amish ( younger generations ) might be able to adapt their buggies with a outboard motor.
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Post by commiczar on Aug 22, 2009 6:17:21 GMT 10
George........... My apologies............. The Poney Express was late....or....I should say, that I was late in opening my mail. ;D ( found and read the note after I posted...sorry ) ______________________________________
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Post by George on Aug 22, 2009 9:05:20 GMT 10
No problemo.
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