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Post by commiczar on Sept 8, 2009 6:18:25 GMT 10
Greetings to All !! When you *time* comes, what are your "final wishes" with regards to the type of funeral you want; which include, but is not limted to, the following services: - Cremation
- Tradition: burial in a box / above ground tomb, or below
- Addition: ( fill in the blank / ?? )
_________________________________________________ Myself, I will be cremated, with my ashes to be spread among the tall trees and green grass, on a high hill overlooking the Imperium. { The "Protector of the People"...even after death. } _________________________________________________ Regards to All !! _____________
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Post by George on Sept 8, 2009 9:18:00 GMT 10
I'm very tempted to include a clause in my will that requires the main beneficiary to have me stuffed and seated on a chair in their living room, as an eternal reminder of my munificence...
...but in reality things are likely to pan out somewhat more prosaically... perhaps in a nice urn on a mantlepiece somewhere.
Preferably with a nice view out the window.
;D
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Post by Bokonton on Sept 8, 2009 20:01:14 GMT 10
I like the taxidermy idea. Seems the way to go I am against creation not because of the principle, but because: 1)It's enviromentally unsound. 2) It's not actually your ashes your loved ones receive, its a pile of collective shes from everyone who's been cremated that day in the crematorium. 3) The cremators are mostly crooks. If you go in in a fancy coffin, chances are it'll be stripped before it goes in the incinerator of all the fancy-ness. .. Are they called crematoriums?
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Post by commiczar on Sept 9, 2009 5:53:34 GMT 10
I like the taxidermy idea. Seems the way to go I am against creation not because of the principle, but because: 1)It's enviromentally unsound. 2) It's not actually your ashes your loved ones receive, its a pile of collective shes from everyone who's been cremated that day in the crematorium. 3) The cremators are mostly crooks. If you go in in a fancy coffin, chances are it'll be stripped before it goes in the incinerator of all the fancy-ness. .. Are they called crematoriums? I guess cremation is done completely different in the USA, than from where you reside; as cremation is much more enviromentally safer than being buried beneath the ground in a coffin, as the ashes are kept in a vessel, without the risk of a body's decomposition running into the water-tables. Some / most locales now require coffins to be placed within a sealed concrete / metal vault; which helps to prevent body seepage from seeping into the water-tables. Cremation destroys germs and disease; whereas, coffins and coffins-in-vaults have been known to leak; especially with the flooding that takes place nowadays. Cremation takes less ( no ) land than traditional burial. Also, one does receive their departed's ashes, as the chamber for cremation is cleaned immediately after each and every cremation....not daily or weekly ( required by law ). And one can choose to have their body placed within a HD "cardboard" coffin, that will be placed within the crematory furnace chamber; no need to buy and burn an expensive coffin if you do not wish to spend / waste the money. ( some are cremated w/o any "burn vessel" ( container )...i.e....in their "birthday suit" ) A very few exceptions to the above, due to various state, local laws etc. I've done my research, and several of our Family and Friends have been cremated, without any trouble whatsoever; and a life-long Friend runs a funeral home, which has been in their Family for four generations now. SOooo...if I were you, I wouldn't worry too much about cremation; and if you are afraid of the way that it is done where you live, move to the USA. ;D Indications are....that one day...not too distant in the future, due to the ever-rising prices of land and traditional funeral costs, and the risk associated with disease and germ leakages, cremation will become more and more accepted; as some research polls in the USA report that as much as 25% of today's funerals in the USA are now cremation. One's religious beliefs play a major role in one's decision as well. _________________________________________________
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Post by bahoudii on Sept 9, 2009 7:42:33 GMT 10
I have been hesitant to jump into this discussion since my son, H.H. Benjamin Peter, was murdered only 7 months ago... thus this is still a bit of a raw wound.
The immediate family decided on cremation and interment in a family plot with room for several urns.
I chose to retain some of the ashes in a small "keepsake" urn.
I have considered using a portion of the ashes to possibly have a LifeGem made to add to the Crown Jewels. I also have thought of having my own remains cremated and entirely turned into LifeGems.
I assure the previous poster that the remains I received are my sons... no one else's. I was a bit fanatical during the process, insisted things be handled "right" and with proper respect and the funeral director is an old family friend of many, many years as well as the local coroner.
There are plans for a large private cemetery within the ground of the Kingdom with a small chapel that will contain nooks for cremation urns and many of our family members are leaning toward cremation. I cannot speak for the populace of Bahoudii, but the Royal Family seems to prefer cremation.
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Post by George on Sept 9, 2009 8:05:22 GMT 10
...cremation is much more enviromentally safer than being buried beneath the ground in a coffin... What Holly is referring to by "environmentally unsound" is the fact that the modern cremation process generates a significant volume of greenhouse gases, while burial does not.
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Post by commiczar on Sept 9, 2009 9:20:41 GMT 10
...cremation is much more enviromentally safer than being buried beneath the ground in a coffin... What Holly is referring to by "environmentally unsound" is the fact that the modern cremation process generates a significant volume of greenhouse gases, while burial does not. Not necessarily.......... As a good per-cent of cremations today, are done using newer and more eco-friendly methods / equipments; which takes less fuel, and less time for the process to complete. One of the primary reasons for more-and-more cremations being done ( at least in the USA ), is due to the fact that "soil creep" ( geo-gradual movement of soil ) and flooding in a cemetary, tends to eventually weaken and crack metal and concrete vaults over time; thereby, allowing for the possibility / probability that some of the contaminants commonly associated with the normal stages of decomposition of a buried body, will eventually over time tend to migrate to the surface soils, and / or seep into the water-tables. A trade-off of sorts....greenhouse gases vs soil and water contamination. ( federal / national laws will eventually over-ride state and local ) Which is why...in the overall long-run...cremation is fast becoming the service of choice for more-and-more western Families. ( USA ) In time, most western nations will regulate ( nationally ) the means of a person's remains; of which, the above mentioned health concerns will be the primary reasons, along with the conservation of land. Government approved "price manipulation" ( higher and higher traditional funeral costs ) will be what forces most people to choose cremation over the tradition; thereby, allowing those with the "mean$" ( money ) to be buried in a coffin...above ground tomb, or a below ground vault. ( average / approx / est cremation is 20-to-25% the cost of tradition ) __________________________________________________
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Post by George on Sept 9, 2009 9:36:08 GMT 10
This explains the environmental issues related to cremation in more detail: www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2005/oct/18/ethicalmoney.climatechangeThe reason cremation has become so popular in recent decades is because it's much, much cheaper than buying and maintaining a burial plot, and conducting individual burials. If the cost of carbon credits drives up the cost of cremation, people are likely to start looking to other alternatives.
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Post by commiczar on Sept 9, 2009 9:48:20 GMT 10
This explains the environmental issues related to cremation in more detail: www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2005/oct/18/ethicalmoney.climatechangeThe reason cremation has become so popular in recent decades is because it's much, much cheaper than buying and maintaining a burial plot, and conducting individual burials. If the cost of carbon credits drives up the cost of cremation, people are likely to start looking to other alternatives. Okay TALLINI ...I mean George...... ;D I base my points upon talking with our Family Friends, who own and operate a 4 generation funeral home; not so much on an article / site that promotes one-side or the another-side of an issue. Your point is not dismissed, and has a valuable and valid merit......merely not the ammo needed to explain away all of the other reasons related.
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Post by George on Sept 9, 2009 10:11:52 GMT 10
I'm not sure what you mean. The article I linked to largely supports your contention that as far as cremation goes, low cost = popularity. The corollary, of course, is that if costs increase as a consequence of future global agreements on climate change, cremation as it is practised today may no longer be as financially attractive as it is now, and people may well return to burial (of one sort or other) as an alternative. Either way, the by-products end up back in the planetary environment which we inhabit. Perhaps we should just have less people; that would solve the problem.
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Post by commiczar on Sept 9, 2009 10:45:43 GMT 10
I'm not sure what you mean. The article I linked to largely supports your contention that as far as cremation goes, low cost = popularity. The corollary, of course, is that if costs increase as a consequence of future global agreements on climate change, cremation as it is practised today may no longer be as financially attractive as it is now, and people may well return to burial (of one sort or other) as an alternative. Either way, the by-products end up back in the planetary environment which we inhabit. Perhaps we should just have less people; that would solve the problem. Greetings George !! Okay......... Understood....and agreed....to a point........... ( we may be closer together on this issue than apart...afterall ) I listed several reasons that effect the issue of cremation vs tradition; and whenever government and people are so divided on all such issues as they are today ( i.e. land conservation, religious considerations, health / disease contamination, cost inflations , enviornment manipulation, etc....no one can really predict where it will all end up. Your idea of "less people" could / should help. ;D Regards !! __________________________________________________
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Post by Bokonton on Sept 10, 2009 0:10:07 GMT 10
I was referring to greenhouse gases when I talked about pollution. However, the UK cremation service seems to be completely different to that in the USA. People are incinerated in groups because it is cost-effective. Hmm, the USA is looking like more and more of a good place to move too... First Vanilla coke, and now nice crematoriums! ;D But my hopes for my remains are also to have them turned into a LifeGem if possible. Failing that, maybe to be buried in a coffin made by these people? www.eshopafrica.com/acatalog/Ga_Coffins.html(They are fairtrade, too-bonus! ;D)
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Post by George on Sept 10, 2009 9:13:19 GMT 10
...alternatively, these guys will happily mummify you for the bargain basement price of US $67,000.
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Post by commiczar on Sept 10, 2009 13:23:40 GMT 10
Anyone up for cryogenics ?! ;D Really Cooooolll......
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Post by George on Sept 10, 2009 13:57:23 GMT 10
Very cool indeed... until your descendants fall behind in the monthly upkeep payments... in which case they turn off the refrigerator.
Messy!
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