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Post by commiczar on Sept 17, 2009 2:51:06 GMT 10
Greeting to All !!
Personal points-of-view........ ( everyone is welcomed and invited to share...thinking-cap time )
As there is no definite, clear, and absolute definition of "micronationalism", which can be applied in some sort of universally accepted belief system within the confines of the Greater MicroSphere; such absence of authority, allows for massive diversity within the micronational community of nations.
However, just as diversity is allowed to go unchecked, similarity between micronations is one of the common and mutual characteristics; which acts as some sort of an adhesive conduit, which keeps most serious micros in check-and-balance with one another.
Micronationalism is many things to many people; as some individuals dwell within so-called "ImagiNations", "Simulation Nations" ( sims ); while others, approach micronationalism from a "real-earth" position and perspective, even though such approach is diverse within itself, as there are those "real-earth" micronations which approach micronationalism from a "tongue-in-cheek" view, some from an absolute view, and still others who manage to merge "fun" with "function". ( i.e. "hobby", "lifestyle", "combo-micro" )
What do you believe to be the most defining diversities between "real-earth" micronations; and what do you believe to be the most defining similarities between "real-earth" micronations ?? ( i.e. what keeps us apart...and...what draws us together ) ( note: diversity and similarity can both be "magnets": which can "attract", as well as "repel"; dependent upon one's point-of-view )
All informative views are hereby requested, and are hereby thanked in advance; with the understanding that everyone's views are accepted with the same degree of respect as anyone's. ( i.e. there is no *absolute* right or wrong ) ( i.e. there is no *my way...or...the highway" )
Regards to All !! _____________
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Post by commiczar on Sept 17, 2009 4:57:40 GMT 10
Greetings Again !! To express / explain a bit-better......( I hope )........ I am mainly seeking ideas centered more around idealistic ( intangible ) properties ( intellectual properties ); such as philosophies, doctrines, historical effects ( for and against ), etc....... Those ideas and ideals which formulate, segregate, seperate, annihilate each micronation's internal and external perceptions of itself, with that of their peer-nation counterparts. ( i.e. the invisible or near-invisible "heart & soul" of one's micronation ) ( the "Dr. Jekyll & Mr. Hyde" of a micronation's true net-worth ) Along the lines / idea / concept / quote of: "The Clothes Make The Man"..............
"The ? Make The Micronation".......... ( fill in the blank )Regards !! _________
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Post by bahoudii on Sept 17, 2009 5:01:43 GMT 10
I apologize for misunderstanding your initial post... I'll have to give it a bit more thought...
Hummm....
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Post by commiczar on Sept 17, 2009 5:02:57 GMT 10
Interesting topic... You ask; " What do you believe to be the most defining diversities between "real-earth" micronations; and what do you believe to be the most defining similarities between "real-earth" micronations ??>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Greetings !! A GREAT........interesting and informative viewpoint !! Your message beat my second post to the board first..... ;D Once again....a GREAT reply !! High Regards !! _____________
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Post by commiczar on Sept 17, 2009 5:11:02 GMT 10
I apologize for misunderstanding your initial post... I'll have to give it a bit more thought... Hummm.... Greetings !! NO !! ...you should not have erased / deleted your original reply..... ( I added a second follow-up....to add detail, but anyone's ideas are more-than-welcomed ) As my reply to your original post expressed....your views were most welcomed, and very interesting and informative; and apply...as there is no "right" or "wrong" answer to my thread.....as likewise....there is no "my way of the highway" perspective either.....as *ALL* views / ideas are solicitated and accepted and respected and welcomed "as-is". I hope that you saved ( copied ) your original reply before you deleted it; and if you did, please feel free to re-apply your reply. Highest Regards !! ___________________________________________________
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Post by bahoudii on Sept 17, 2009 7:03:28 GMT 10
I shall refrain from deleting posts in the future... I was off on a track I didn't think you were pursuing, thus wanted to "clear out the deadwood" to make room for replies that actually spoke to your post.
I do not have a copy of the post, however I can restate my point...
I have found over the years that many (too many) micronationalists do subscribe to the "my way or the highway" philosophy and don't seek any real level of "cooperation" outside seeking as many "treaties of recognition" as they can gather from other "micronations".
I have seen very little in terms of similarities or differences that pull the various groups/individuals together.
There are several areas where micronationals could join hands and lead a way forward but unless it is "their" idea, and/or "they" are in charge, or the micronation/NGO/etc. isn't 100% compliant with a micronations individual philosophy, very blessed few will participate.
Speaking as a "serious", "real-world" micronationalist, the similarity we should all embrace is that each of us desires something different than what is available now.
Perhaps that is why there is so little "cooperation"? To do what we do, we must have a "very healthy" self-image.
Perhaps, it also speaks to our fear that joining with others in pursuit of something larger than ourselves will diminish "our dream"?
Finally...
I will again attach the official definitions used in the volume about micronationalism and the Kingdom of Bahoudii we are preparing to go to print.
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state
a politically organized body of people usually occupying a definite territory; especially: one that is sovereign or the political organization of such a body of people
nation
a community of people composed of one or more nationalities and possessing a more or less defined territory and government
a territorial division containing a body of people of one or more nationalities and usually characterized by relatively large size and independent status
nation-state
a form of political organization under which a relatively homogeneous people inhabits a sovereign state; especially : a state containing one as opposed to several nationalities
citizenship
membership in a political community carrying with it rights to political participation
a person having such membership is a citizen.
It is largely coterminous with nationality, although it is possible to have a nationality without being a citizen (i.e., be legally subject to a state and entitled to its protection without having rights of political participation in it); it is also possible to have political rights without being a national of a state.
Citizenship also implies working toward the betterment of one's community through participation, volunteer work, and efforts to improve life for all citizens.
supranational citizenship
Recently, some intergovernmental organizations have begun using a terminology associated with citizenship at the international level. It is applied to the totality of the citizens of their constituent countries combined.
An example of this level of citizenship is European Union citizenship.
The ultimate supranational citizenship would be of global citizenship
subnational citizenship
Citizenship at a subnational level.
Subnational entities may or may not impose requirements such as residency etc. which grant full participate in the political life and enjoy the benefits provided by the government of that entity to its citizens.
second-class citizen
an individual who is discriminated against and/or treated unequally within a political jurisdiction, despite being native-born and/or a legal resident.
Second-class citizens tend to have limited legal rights, civil rights and economic opportunities, and are often subject to mistreatment or neglect at the hands of their putative superiors. Typical impediments facing second-class citizens include disenfranchisement (a lack or loss of voting rights), limitations on civil or military service (not including conscription in every case), and often restrictions on language, religion, caste and education.
Second-class citizenry may be de jure or de facto, and is generally regarded as a violation of human rights.
Nationality has been traditionally based on either jus soli or jus sanguinis, but in our modern world it has generally become a mix both.
jus sanguinis
Etymology: from Latin - right of blood
a right by which citizenship is granted to any individual born to a parent who is a national or citizen of that state.
jus soli
Etymology: from Latin - right of the territory
birthright citizenship - a right by which citizenship is granted to any individual born in the territory of the related state.
right of abode
an individual's freedom from immigration control in a particular country.
A person who has the right of abode in a country does not need permission from the government to enter the country and can live and work there without restriction.
Generally, in order to have the right of abode in a certain country, a person must be a citizen of that country.
Those with permanent resident of the country generally have a de-facto right of residence but it can be revoked in certain circumstances, for example for being convicted of crimes.
settled status
the most usual route to naturalization as a Bahoudii citizen, it requires that the applicant be settled within the territory of the Kingdom of Bahoudii.
Settled status is also important where a child of non-Bahoudii citizen parentage is born within the territory of the Kingdom of Bahoudii, as unless at least one parent has settled status the child will not automatically be granted Bahoudii citizenship.
resident alien
a citizen of another nation who has been granted right of abode within a nation and limited rights within a jurisdiction, such as not being able to vote, and having to register with the government, but is given the law's protection and usually accepted by the population.
naturalization
the act whereby a person voluntarily and actively acquires a nationality which is not his or her nationality at birth.
Naturalization is most associated individuals who have immigrated to a nation, lived there as a resident alien, and who voluntarily chooses to become a citizen of that nation after meeting its requirements.
Denaturalization is the opposite of naturalization. It is when a nation deprives one of its citizens of citizenship.
Generally, a nations basic requirements for naturalization are that the individual be a legal, full-time resident for a minimum period of time and that the individual promises to obey and uphold that nation’s laws. Often, an oath or pledge of allegiance is added.
Some nations require that a naturalized national must renounce any other nationalities held, forbidding dual citizenship, but whether this renunciation causes loss of the individual’s original nationalities also depends on the laws of all other nations involved.
A naturalized citizen carries the same rights and responsibilities as a born citizen, and is also legally protected.
feudalism
any of various political or social systems similar to medieval feudalism
feudal
of, relating to, or having the characteristics of a medieval fee
fee
an estate in land held in feudal law from a lord on condition of homage and service
a piece of land so held
an inherited or heritable estate in land
homage
a feudal ceremony by which a man acknowledges himself the vassal of a lord
the relationship between a feudal lord and his vassal
an act done or payment made in meeting the obligations of vassalage
vassal
a person under the protection of a feudal lord to whom he has vowed homage and fealty : a feudal tenant
fealty
the fidelity of a vassal or feudal tenant to his lord
the obligation of such fidelity
micronation vs macronation
One definition of a micronation from the web:
• a model country that exists solely as work of fiction
• a small group of people who are seeking sovereignty from another governmental power
• a collection of brave souls who are trying to establish a new country
• a tiny sovereign jurisdiction that may have escaped the notice of other major powers.
from the Open-Encyclopedia:
"The term micronation, which literally means "small nation", is a neologism originating in the 1990s (ed. Actually… 1985 – Erwin Strauss – How To Start Your Own Country) to describe the many thousands of small unrecognized statelike entities that have mostly arisen since that time.
The term has since also come to be used retrospectively to refer to earlier unrecognized entities, some of which date to as far back as the 19th century.
Supporters of micronations use the term "Macronation" for any "real" sovereign nation-state. "
fictive state
an association or political group based on a purely fictional history, claim, or some other imaginative construct.
model country
a project or “nation” designed to resemble most aspects of nationhood, without actually seeking sovereignty.
This is the general definition of most “on-line” or internet-based nations.
simulation
the imitation of some real thing, state of affairs, or process.
The act of simulating something generally entails representing certain key characteristics or behaviours of a selected physical or abstract system.
proprietary community
a special type of community in which a single owner leases units to multiple tenants that establishes both individual, private resources and common, public resources, and that organizes activities required for the community’s continuity.
A proprietary community is a community administered as a proprietary enterprise in which the relations of every member of the community are formed directly with the proprietary authority.
Proprietary communities are distinguished from other types of communites such as private communities, voluntary communities, and intentional communities by the fact that none of these are necessarily organized on a proprietary basis.
For example, residential communes, Amish communities, and Israeli kibbutzim are voluntary, but not proprietary.
Importantly, proprietary communities are also distinguished from private communities such as home owners' associations, which operate on political principles (i.e. democratic voting by the multiple owners), not on proprietary principles which require a single owner who leases units to multiple tenants.
Examples of modern proprietary communities include hotels, marinas, office buildings, industrial parks, entertainment complexes, and ever-larger and more complex combinations of these.
secessionist state
a group discontent with the actions or decisions of their nation-state that withdraws from previous political bonds with the nation-state.
The term generally refers to withdrawal from a political entity; such as when a territory or state believes itself justified in establishing its independence from the political entity which it was a part.
By doing so the new secessionist state assumes sovereignty
putative state
a commonly accepted or assumed to exist politically organized body of people
A putative state is believed to be a state and is accepted as legal unless proved otherwise.
exile government
a political group that claims to be a country's legitimate government, but for various reasons is unable to exercise its legal power, and instead resides in a foreign country.
Governments in exile usually operate under the assumption that they will one day return to their native country and regain power.
They are distinguished from rump states in the sense that a rump state still controls at least part of its previous territory, whereas a government in exile has lost all its territory.
rump state
the remnant of a once-larger government, left with limited powers or authority after a disaster, invasion, military occupation, secession or partial overthrowing of a government.
In the last case, a government stops short of going in exile because it still controls part of its previous territory.
sovereign state
a political association with effective internal and external sovereignty over a geographic area and population which is not dependent on, or subject to any other power or state.
A sovereign state can exist without being recognized by other sovereign states, however unrecognized states have difficulties exercising full treaty-making powers and engaging in diplomatic relations with other sovereign states.
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