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Post by commiczar on Jun 15, 2009 6:55:08 GMT 10
[/size][/quote] A belated Affirmation Day - Atlantium !! ( better late than never )
CONGRATULATIONS !!My apolgies for being so late with the congratulations; I missed seeing it on the calendar earlier. Regards. ___________________________________________________
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Post by George on Jun 15, 2009 9:52:13 GMT 10
Thanks.
It completely passed me by this year.
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Post by davidv on Jun 15, 2009 19:41:29 GMT 10
Definitely a momentous event. Atlantium had been dormant for almost a decade prior, and its Refundatio ushered in a new era by which Atlantium's activities were raised to a whole new level- and its message communicated to the wider world.
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Post by George on Jun 15, 2009 20:38:24 GMT 10
Atlantium's activities were raised to a whole new level- and its message communicated to the wider world. That's all still very much a work in progress.
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Post by davidv on Jun 15, 2009 22:02:50 GMT 10
Something I'm fascinated by... how many pre-1990 Atlantian figures (besides yourself) are still involved today?
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Post by George on Jun 15, 2009 22:30:32 GMT 10
Until 1999 the population was 9.
Of those, 7 are still citizens.
1 effectively renounced their citizenship well over a decade ago, and 1 other severed contact subsequent to a divorce.
The current population is 1164.
26 of those are members of the current Administration.
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Post by J on Jun 16, 2009 8:35:15 GMT 10
Breaking 1,000 citizens is serious business in my opinion. Only Reunion was accomplished such a feat or maybe Aerica. Not sure who else. My knowledge of the demography of micronations is rather limited.
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Post by George on Jun 16, 2009 9:19:27 GMT 10
The demographic claims made by micronations are notoriously unreliable.
I've encountered all sorts of "interesting" approaches, including:
* Everyone who views our website is automatically a citizen... so we have 10 citizens.
* Everyone who posts a message on our forum is automatically a citizen.
* You sent me an email, so you are now a citizen.
* We have 600 citizens, but only 3 of those are real people, and 1 is a rabbit.
* We have over 300 citizens - if you count all the friends, work colleagues and extended family of our 20 actual citizens.
As far as Atlantium is concerned, a citizen is an individual aged 15 or older, who completes and submits of their own accord, and on their own behalf, a detailed application, which is reviewed, and if successful, approved in writing.
Atlantium maintains an offline database which includes detailed personal information on all its citizens, including their full name, DOB, gender, physical characteristics, educational attainments, language skills, postal address, phone contacts and email.
Applications for citizenship which fail to include any of the above are automatically rejected.
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Post by davidv on Jun 16, 2009 9:35:50 GMT 10
To be fair, the more successful micronations do maintain records and do have immigration policies that ensure the doors aren't open to just anyone.
Talossa's immigration policy has, by micronational standards, always been pretty strict. Aerican Empire and Reunion likewise require applicants to fill out forms. I believe citizenship is vetted in all three- i.e. ensuring authenticity of applicants, providing sufficient information, et al.
The maintenance of such policies is infinitely desirable for any micronation serious about its own integrity and protecting itself from those who wish to exploit micronationalism for fraudulent purposes.
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Post by George on Jun 16, 2009 9:42:58 GMT 10
I'm aware of Talossa's policies. I think they're based on very sound reasoning, namely, the harder you make it for someone to join an organisation (within reasonable limits), the better the quality, and the greater the enthusiasm of the candidates who succeed in making it through the recruitment process.
I'm not aware of the situation with Reunion. Claudio, care to enlighten us?
As far as Aerica is concerned, I seem to recall that all that was required was an email address and a pseudonym.
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Post by davidv on Jun 16, 2009 9:48:40 GMT 10
As far as Aerica is concerned, I seem to recall that all that was required was an email address and a pseudonym. From here they explain they more or less have the right to vet citizenship based on a lack of information, and they will analyse information given by prospectives to determine who they will accept and who they won't.
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Post by George on Jun 16, 2009 9:51:13 GMT 10
I love their sense of humour.
"If at all possible, please use a name that at least sounds human."
Indeed! ;D
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Post by davidv on Jun 16, 2009 10:29:48 GMT 10
I love their sense of humour. "If at all possible, please use a name that at least sounds human."Indeed! ;D Sounds tongue in cheek but with more serious implications?
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Post by George on Jun 16, 2009 10:45:09 GMT 10
Well they do claim half of Pluto and a bit of Mars, so perhaps they're concerned about the unpronouncability of alien surnames. :-)
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Post by D. N. Vercáriâ on Jun 17, 2009 18:05:22 GMT 10
As for the immigration requirements of the Republic of Talossa, the proof of identity seems to be the part that makes applicants shy away. I must admit that I felt a bit uncomfortable myself when I passed a scan of my ID card to a perfect stranger (even though we negotiated that I could blacken the computer readable parts of the ID).
Anyway, in consequence of this strict requirement we get less "drive-by citizens" (those with free email addresses, who never show up again after acquiring the citizenship) than the Kingdom of Talossa.
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Post by Rex TorHavn on Jun 18, 2009 8:46:33 GMT 10
Greetings,
….. "drive by citizens…." Love that, actually.
Technically, torHavn has 38 citizens, but they're "vacationing citizens" --- they've spent some time in their "new country," but then, later on, they "go back" to their original country (and ways). There are two reasons, in my limited opinion…1) an environmental nation, peopled by virtually-attending citizens, makes for little concrete participation (maybe). 2) we're rather strict about our environmental policies, and despite their assurances that they "understand," they don't.
We've been tempted to get 40 acres from Public Land Titles program, but we're only three ourselves…. And my visual impairment makes for limited participation myself. Maybe we could attract some of our more distant citizens, but should we count on it? I'm not so sure….
The only thing we do not ask for in our citizenship form is a [photo] copy of their identification, and there are some who are less than eager to do that (at least for now). The fact that there are those nations who have gotten this is encouraging, on the other hand.
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Post by D. N. Vercáriâ on Jun 18, 2009 17:27:36 GMT 10
We send some sort of a ping to our citizens every year, to see who actually still cares to respond to this. Our population decreased from a maximum of 27 to 16 or 14; this is a bit disappointing and maybe embarrassing, but at least we know that those people care, even if they're not perpetually participating in all activities. And of course everyone is free to reappear on the scene whenever they feel fit.
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