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Post by George on Jun 22, 2009 18:04:45 GMT 10
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Post by indigo on Jun 23, 2009 2:52:26 GMT 10
By why Europe's newest country? It could very rationally be considered part of North America. In fact, the Greenland national football team (non-FIFA football association) is in the North America NF Board group.
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Post by George on Jun 23, 2009 8:00:36 GMT 10
Because Greenland is currently a colony of Denmark, and with a population of barely 50,000+ would derive greater economic benefit by remaining a part of the European Union than trying to go it alone.
The experience of Nauru and other failed Pacific island states has shown that tiny states in remote locations - even when blessed with an abundance of natural resources - are particularly prone to economic, political and social collapse.
Nauru in particular has gone from being one of the world's wealthiest countries to a complete basket case in barely two decades, as a result of corruption, gross economic mismanagement and the entrenchment of an oligarchic political system.
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Post by indigo on Jun 23, 2009 8:45:43 GMT 10
A colony is a territory under the immediate political control of a state. This is no longer the case of Greenland. Seems more like a dominion. Besides that, "Greenland withdrew from the European Union in 1985, thereafter basing its relations with the EU on a special agreement." ( source) Further details into this peculiar relation read, "[t]he Partnership Agreement entails that Greenland receives approximately 25 million Euros as Sector Budget Support for the Greenland Education Programme (GEP) in exchange for fishing rights given to the EU." ( source) Doesn't seem like much of a big deal, and probably more of a bargain for the EU than for Greenland. While being part of the EU seems attractive, Greenland is actually not a part of it, and its potential markets in North America are much closer, so it pays greater dividends to develop those opportunities in the long term. Moreover, Greenland cooperates with the Inuit peoples of Canada, Alaska and Russia through its membership of the Inuit Circumpolar Conference (ICC). Besides having official status as an NGO within the UN system, the ICC is also a permanent member of the Arctic Council. Since 88% of the population is Inuit and Inuit-Danish mixed, the ICC relationship to them is probably more meaningful than even their relation to Denmark. Also, being part of the ICC gives Greenland privileged status with respect to Canada, the US, and Russia, probably enough to allow them to negotiate their own deals for Greenland's oil and mineral resources, and possibly enough to also stimulate the current drought of jobs. So you see, Greenland's future, not just its geography, is closer to its Arctic neighbours, and not just for non-FIFA football matches.
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Post by George on Jun 23, 2009 9:08:44 GMT 10
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Post by indigo on Jun 23, 2009 9:22:18 GMT 10
Greenland seems equally well positioned to leverage economic benefit from both Europe and North America. Don't see a flaw with that statement. Greenland kind of reminds me of the Fifth World. It is not quite North America, and not quite Europe. In the same way, the real Fifth World is not quite the Fourth World (made up of larger secessionist nations, often very ethnic or racial), and not quite Sixth World (made up of virtual micronations in the main, without much control even of their Internet resources, and often very non-ethnic or non-racial).
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Post by George on Jun 23, 2009 11:03:25 GMT 10
Your application of the term "fourth world" is not in alignment with the mainstream academic definition, where it simply refers to nations without states. "Fifth world" is a term which has relevance primarily to native north and central American mythologies. It does not figure in any established mainstream hierarchical paradigm relating to polities or nations.
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Post by indigo on Jun 23, 2009 12:37:24 GMT 10
I am aware of mainstream academic definitions, but while Independent Long Island (ILI) as a medium-sized nation, and secessionist movement without any recognition of states, can be classified as Fourth World, the United Micronations Multi-Oceanic Archipelago (UMMOA), ILI's overseas territory, as a tiny-sized nation, and irredentist movement without any recognition of states, can be only classified as Fifth World, even though it enjoys the recognition of a single IGO. While ILI has a potential population of 7.6 million, UMMOA's population is only 16, and none of them are residents, so the potential of the two is quite different.
Also, consider this fact: I can back my political geographic theory with empirical observations that have been made by at least two academics, and with a sound mathematical model that predicts both Official and non-Official World behaviour. Mainstream academics simply can't.
Moreover, because of a discovery I made the other day, I can also now define what a micronation is in terms that would be quite acceptable even to ISTAT, Italy's national statistical institute (they administer the census).
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Post by George on Jun 30, 2009 0:16:43 GMT 10
...a sound mathematical model that predicts both Official and non-Official World behaviour. While you're at it, could you please email me next week's lottery numbers?
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Post by indigo on Jun 30, 2009 4:20:33 GMT 10
...a sound mathematical model that predicts both Official and non-Official World behaviour. While you're at it, could you please email me next week's lottery numbers? Very illogical request George. Many patterns occur in nature without the help of a designer. E.g.: snowflakes, tornados, hurricanes, sand dunes, stalactites, rivers and ocean waves. Add lottery numbers to this group. These patterns are the natural result of what scientists categorise as chaos and fractals. Codes, however, do not occur without a designer. Examples of symbolic codes include music, blueprints, languages like English, computer programs, and yes, DNA. The essential distinction is the difference between a pattern and a code. Chaos can produce patterns, but it has never been shown to produce codes or symbols. Codes and symbols store information, which is not a property of matter and energy alone. Information itself is a separate entity on par with matter and energy. In essence, there is no equation to predict the output of a lottery. I have discovered that political geography, on the other hand, is entirely predictable, i.e. it follows specific laws.
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Post by George on Jun 30, 2009 7:39:33 GMT 10
I have discovered that political geography [...] is entirely predictable, i.e. it follows specific laws. Truly an earth-shattering discovery - one that has eluded every great sage, philosopher, thinker, analyst, academic, politician, statesman and military strategist in history. Until today. Presumably the people from the Nobel Institute will be contacting you very soon.
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Post by indigo on Jun 30, 2009 11:21:44 GMT 10
Presumably the people from the Nobel Institute will be contacting you very soon. Just as they contacted Antonio Meucci, the true inventor of the telephone. He not only never made a dime on his invention, but he died in total, abject poverty. Just as they contacted Amedeo Avogadro, without whom chemistry today would probably be just a little more evolved than alchemy. He didn't die penniless, but it wasn't until 4 years after his death that his extraordinary contributions were recognised, but not without the help of Stanislao Cannizzaro, another brilliant chemist. Socrates too was honoured — not with a lavish dinner, but with hemlock. Yeshua of Nazareth too was crowned for his achievements — with a crown of thorns. George, who made you a member of the Nobel Prize committee? Are you a better judge than those who judged Meucci, Avogadro, Socrates and Christ himself? Didn't those idiots that judged the aforementioned four think as highly of themselves as you do? What makes them, or you, infallible?
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Post by George on Jun 30, 2009 12:20:29 GMT 10
Anyone can boast about conceiving some newfangled, earth-shatteringly unique and original theory; indeed, from what I've seen, you've done so many times over the years.
However, unless you're prepared to put your reputaton on the line, and publish your work in a peer-reviewed journal, there's little chance that anyone on this planet will ever take you or your theories seriously.
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Post by indigo on Jun 30, 2009 16:15:15 GMT 10
Anyone can boast about conceiving some newfangled, earth-shatteringly unique and original theory; indeed, from what I've seen, you've done so many times over the years. However, unless you're prepared to put your reputaton on the line, and publish your work in a peer-reviewed journal, there's little chance that anyone on this planet will ever take you or your theories seriously. What reputation is on the line? I am the leader of two nations, and of a third largely virtual one. I'm also the founder of several international organisations for unrecognised nations, and I have also developed an alternative Internet. I have written a book for hire ( AP Italian) in the past, and also authored of another book, largely about the Fourth World, and Long Island geographical and anthropological history, with a few unusual religious ideas sprinkled in. Although I have an accredited BS, an unaccredited BS, and an honourary PhD, I'm NOT an academic by profession, and I don't have to give a thesis or dissertation to some committee not even empowered to grant me an accredited and advanced degree. I also feel no obligation to an academic community that doesn't exist, because it has never supported me materially, intellectually, or otherwise. I also no longer accept all honours, because I no longer believe anyone wants to really honour me. I'll change my mind about that when I see evidence to the contrary. In fact, I have refused an honorary professorship lately, and a religious group wished to award me as well, but changed their mind when I made them aware of just how different Cesidianism is compared to Christianity. They can think of me as an heretic if they wish, but I don't care what they think. I really don't care for honours from people who do not even honour my ideas to begin with. It's like someone who honours my English or Italian speech with answers in Korean. You make it sound like ideas are something unnatural to me. I suggest you speak for yourself, not for others you don't even know. I've been having novel ideas since my early teens, and of many different kinds. I will in fact publish a book about only some of my theories or developments, strictly related to small-nation phenomena, i.e. the Fifth and Sixth World. I don't have to write for some peer-reviewed journal, as I am not an academic, so I don't have access to those things. Also, I know of no peer-reviewed journal that even mentions the Fifth and Sixth World, anymore than there is an academic journal about plumbing or composting. Moreover, I don't consider you, or anyone else living largely in the Official World, and largely by its standards, as my 'peer'. You are not my peer. You are an alien, and even less friendly than the alien craft I've seen in the sky. A peer is an equal, who also treats others like equals, and I have no reason to believe scholars living in cloistered and warm academic towers are my equal, or you, someone who has only attacked me to further your own nation's status. My potential peer is actually the real publisher who seems to be interested in publishing my book, although he said I probably won't get rich with it (no surprise with that remark). He hasn't read it yet, so he can't judge, and I was still giving the final touches to it tonight anyway. Tomorrow I will probably send the manuscript to him. Besides being a publisher, he also earned a BES in Mathematical Sciences, and a PhD in Computer Science, so I think he is educated enough to judge my work and its potential. I'll leave all pertinent judgments to him, and if he feels he cannot publish my work for any reason, I also have an alternative publisher in mind. So you see, my reputation is not on the line. If it was, the publisher would have said, when I asked whether he was interested in publishing my book, "And who the hell are you?" He didn't ask that question, even though he has never published any of my books. He knows who the hell I am.
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Post by George on Jun 30, 2009 16:38:17 GMT 10
Any person who makes outlandish public assertions, or proposes a world view at odds with the mainstream position, automatically places their reputation on the line - and you've been doing so quite stridently for about a decade now.
Despite this, you have not yet produced any evidence supporting your assertions, theories or beliefs, and you remain their sole adherent and public advocate.
Consequently, external observers can only draw two possible conclusions:
Either...
1. you are the suffering, misunderstood genius-of-the-ages which you claim to be (loudly, and often),
or
2. your assertions, theories and beliefs are wrong.
Occam's razor suggests that option 2 is the more likely.
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Post by commiczar on Jul 1, 2009 4:17:35 GMT 10
Just a suggestion......... Since this topic has turned into a *pissing-contest*...... Maybe those who are interested...could / should get back on topic. ORrrrrrr...... Maybe this topic is now way-too far off-topic...and should be locked. ?? Just a suggestion...or two.... ;D _______________________
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Post by George on Jul 1, 2009 6:38:42 GMT 10
Mr Tallini is entitled to his opinions, and he is welcome to continue sharing them with the world - just as I am in continuing to challenge the assumptions that underlie them.
That's what civil discourse is supposed to be about.
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Post by D. N. Vercáriâ on Jul 5, 2009 8:19:15 GMT 10
Start locking or deleting threads, and I'll be gone in a second. This type of benevolent opinion nursery drove me away from MNeu. Disputes can't be resolved by censorship. Even the most benevolent censors will step over the freedom line in no time.
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Post by George on Jul 5, 2009 8:38:54 GMT 10
I'm reliably informed that the chief trouble-makers at the failed forum are still up to their old tricks.
We will not be following them.
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Post by commiczar on Jul 6, 2009 1:51:17 GMT 10
Start locking or deleting threads, and I'll be gone in a second. This type of benevolent opinion nursery drove me away from MNeu. Disputes can't be resolved by censorship. Even the most benevolent censors will step over the freedom line in no time. [/size][/quote] I agree...... However, I or no one else ever suggested deleting any thread; what I had suggested, was to either get back on original topic, or else lock the thread....which has happened before here at this forum. Also, and just for the record, if everyone will recall, a thread that me and George were involved in was locked by George; in spite of the fact that it did stay closer on topic than this thread. ( see link below ) George had his views on that topic, and I had mine; but whenever it came to a *point*.....George chose to lock the topic. Which most likely was for the best.....as is the case in this topic; whereby, this topic has totally became unraveled. ( i.e. "beating a dead horse to death" ) That's what Admins and Mods are suppose to do....in some cases; either "lock' the thread ( but never ever "delete" anyone's words ), or at the very least, offer some respectable and mutual way out for all parties involved / concerned. ( i.e. save-face / mutual and mature respect ) ( i.e. "agree to disagree" )( put the forum first...over ego, etc... ) Topic: HousekeepingThe above link leads to the thread where I spoke-up, and spoke-out, against the alteration and/or deletion of anyone's words, meanings, and punctuation; which was in defense of what I saw as an invasion upon one's rights and freedoms of speech and press.
Which goes hand-in-hand with what D. N. Vercáriâ had concerns with; not necessarily identical in scope, but more-or-less well within the same general view and concern.
i.e. Lock only as a last-resort....never alter or delete, except if and when *extreme-vulgarity* were to ever be presented. *( an occassional "hell", "damn", "etc" acceptable )* _________________________________________________
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