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Post by commiczar on Jun 26, 2009 5:27:45 GMT 10
Greetings to All !!
To anyone's knowledge, is there now, or has there ever been, a micronation which has an official / public position / policy as being either Atheistic, or else as being Agnostic ??
OR......attempts to limit religious rights by any means or manner; as it's public / official MicroGovt policy.
Regards to All !! ______________
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Post by D. N. Vercáriâ on Jun 26, 2009 7:19:52 GMT 10
Deistic, atheistic, agnostic, it's just the same irrelevant religion-bound universe to me. I simply don't care about the whole issue. Never did.
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Post by indigo on Jun 26, 2009 10:14:55 GMT 10
Greetings to All !! To anyone's knowledge, is there now, or has there ever been, a micronation which has an official / public position / policy as being either Atheistic, or else as being Agnostic ?? OR......attempts to limit religious rights by any means or manner; as it's public / official MicroGovt policy. Regards to All !! ______________ There are many micronationalists that are either Atheists or simply Agnostics, and I remember a time when I used be the attacked by them for no other reason other than NOT being an Atheist or Agnostic. I have never seen a micronation that was deliberately Atheistic or Agnostic, but the hostility towards believers, regardless of the shape or form, was pretty apparent. It was so apparent it would probably be viewed by most Americans as unconstitutional, in other words, illegal.
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Post by D. N. Vercáriâ on Jun 28, 2009 3:51:00 GMT 10
Well, the American approach to religiousity may be seen as indecent in Europe.
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Post by indigo on Jun 28, 2009 14:50:59 GMT 10
Well, the American approach to religiousity may be seen as indecent in Europe. That's why those that were prosecuted for their religious beliefs in Europe left in order to come to America. They too thought freedom of religion was indecent (although it takes Voltaire's spirit to ensure that the free then don't burn witches or prosecute everyone else once they come to America), freedom of speech, the right to bare arms, habeas corpus, the right not to self-incriminate oneself, etc. And America still is more "indecent" than Europe. In July 2008, in front of thousands of cheering onlookers at Piazza Navona, Rome, Sabina Guzzanti made remarks about the Pope, saying that he should end up in hell as punishment for the church's treatment of homosexuals, saying that he would soon be "tormented by great big poofter devils - and very active ones". The joke may have gone well with her crowd on the Piazza Navona, but not with Italian prosecutors. Sabina Guzzanti should have faced prosecution for "offending the honour of the sacred and inviolable person" of Benedict XVI. The Italian Minister of Justice Angelino Alfano decided not to prosecute Guzzanti "knowing the magnanimity and forgiving spirit of the Pope." Sounds like excuses to me, because he was probably afraid that if he prosecuted, he would have become a national, and global laughing stock, since Italy still has religious offense laws in the books, and everyone knows the laws cater solely to the Pope. In other words, as they say in Italian, "la legge è uguale per tutti", the law is equal for all, but somehow there are still laws in the books in Italy that make the Pope "more equal than others", for some strange reason.
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Post by George on Jun 30, 2009 22:29:45 GMT 10
Joseph Ratzinger is no more "sacred and inviolable" than any other person on this planet - however given the position of tremendous power and infuence he enjoys, he should certainly be held to higher standards of public accountability than lesser mortals.
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Post by sogoln on Jul 1, 2009 4:54:49 GMT 10
Politics should deal with rationality, while religion deals with irrationality.
They can coexist, but they should not mix.
The Formori Community has made its secularism clear since its inception. That does not prevent us from counting a few Christians, Muslims, Deists and Atheists in our ranks. I think we may also have at least one Wicca and one Jew.
None of these beliefs actually interfere with our activities.
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Post by Rex TorHavn on Jul 10, 2009 7:46:55 GMT 10
While TorHavn exists as a chivalrous, monarchic nation, we still insist that we are an entirely secular state. And, while any religion is welcome, still must a religious organization agree not to aggressively proselytize in order to maintain the ability to have publically accessible ceremonies, meetings and membership drives. I cannot count the number of times this courtesy was NOT extended to myself or my spouse. That is specifically why TorHavn will stay vigilant regarding the hounding and harassing of competing spiritual paths. I simply will not stand for it.
And it really does not matter what religion we are talking about… no one is above this Law.
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