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Post by commiczar on Aug 11, 2009 12:46:41 GMT 10
Greetings to All !! - If you could, what would you change about your micronation ?
- If you could, what would you change about your microleadership ?
- If you could, what you you change about your "macro" neighbor-nation ?
- If you could, what would you change about ( fill in the blank ) ?
Regards to All !! ______________
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Post by Jason Mckerra on Aug 11, 2009 13:42:39 GMT 10
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Post by George on Aug 13, 2009 12:01:08 GMT 10
I prefer the mantra "I can and I am".
Therein lies the path to real-world credibility.
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Post by Jason Mckerra on Aug 13, 2009 12:17:21 GMT 10
And there I though real world credibility lay in a vast and dizzying array of self referencing "credentials"
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Post by George on Aug 13, 2009 12:20:30 GMT 10
I stand corrected.
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Post by Jason Mckerra on Aug 13, 2009 12:24:14 GMT 10
My array of self referencing credentials has yet to bring me closer to my dream of a physical Lavalon :-(
But if I can somehow get credit to borrow a quarter of a million dollars... that's it! Eureka! MONEY = CREDIBILITY!
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Post by Jason Mckerra on Aug 13, 2009 12:29:33 GMT 10
Being a little less facetious though, I am seriously jealous of what you have been able to achieve for Atlantium with Aurora province.
On an unrelated note, how do you reconcile Aurora being private property and the capital of the state.
For example, I presume you bought it and your name is on the deed, yet Atlanium has a Senate, and your land is the capital. What if the Senate started making laws that, hypothetically, you did not want to see enacted in your province?
Or another gastly hypothetical:
You can in theory be removed from office as Emperor, would Aurora province still be the capital of Atlantium if this happened? Would you surrender it the Empire, or would the Empire surrender it to you?
I've been pondering these questions whilst thinking about purchasing a physical home for Lavalon. A piece of land in which the Republics laws could have real effect is something that could attract a significant number of people, but I might not like he result, then what?
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Post by George on Aug 13, 2009 13:01:22 GMT 10
It's complicated (when is real life ever not so?) Aurora is the equal joint property of myself and one other person (who is not a citizen of Atlantium). That person has effectively ceded control over what happens to and at Aurora, to me. In the fullness of time, barring any unforseen untimely outcomes, I will become Aurora's sole owner. Atlantium is founded on the principle of non-territoriality; in other words, the legitimacy and basis of the state is the will of its people, who constitute its primary resource, irrespective of where in the world they happen to have been born or reside - not the exclusive exercise of authority over a designated geographical territory and all of those residing within it. Atlantium nonetheless recognises the necessity of being seen to exercise authority over a defined geographical territory of some sort, both from a symbolic and practical perspective - ie, we need to put our monuments and administrative buildings somewhere in the real world - and we need to generate revenue by establishing an economy based on agriculture and/or tourism, in order to expand our viability and influence. Therefore we developed the concept of extraterritoriality. What this means in practise is that we, being a non-territorial state, choose to unilaterally exercise largely unchallenged authority over a defined geographical territory which happens to be the personal property of the First Citizen (but which could just as easily be the personal property of any other citizen), in the manner of a diplomatic enclave as defined by the Geneva Accords on consular and diplomatic relations. Thus, Aurora remains an integral part of the Commonwealth of Australia, while simultaneously fulfilling a unilaterally designated role as Atlantium's global capital (Caput Mundi). Note that "secession" is not a part of this equation at all. We are operating on the basis of an altogether different paradigm. Although we were unaware of it when we were formulating our fundamental structural theory, principles similar to these were first outlined in 1860, by Paul Emile du Puydt, who is considered the founder of panarchism
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Post by Jason Mckerra on Aug 13, 2009 14:53:35 GMT 10
Thank you for the explanation. I may have to plagiarize... I mean "extensively reference", your ideas if I ever get close to achieving a physical home for Lavalon. :-)
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Post by Jason Mckerra on Aug 13, 2009 15:00:21 GMT 10
btw, Panarchism and your ideas seem similar to an argument that Lavalon produced back in 2003. Lavalon's 2003 declaration of Independence argued that individuals ultimately determined where their identity lay and to what they consented, and that as the state could only legitimately be founded upon the consent of the governed, individuals should in theory be able to declare their affinity with another or a new state of their own design.
Lavalon's Sovereign Soil law was an attempt to enact this, land owned and occupied by citizens, could if a citizen wished it, be considered Lavalonian sovereign soil.
It was pretty much a theoretical discussion, none of us actually owned much in the way of property!
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Post by George on Aug 13, 2009 19:36:52 GMT 10
I believe our approach takes the notion of "sovereignty" as it's been understood and evolved since the creation of the Westphalian system, to the next level - namely, the disentanglement of the state from geography.
Whilst the control of physical resources will always be an essential function of human governance, in the present age of global communication there's really no reason why adult human beings should not be able to choose which state they wish to align themselves with, as citizens of the global community.
In this regard our approach forsees a time when "the state" essentially becomes a community of mutual interest, similar in some ways to a corporation - except that its "products" are its social and governmental policies and "outlook".
It is for this reason that Atlantium has no citizens below our designated age of majority - 15.
All our citizens have willingly applied to join Atlantium, and each application received has been considered on its individual merits prior to approval.
The children of Atlantian citizens do not inherit Atlantian citizenship; it is simply not an inheritable condition.
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