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Post by rogue ambassador on Feb 8, 2011 0:25:02 GMT 10
Or a Temporary Autonomous Zone. www.guardian.co.uk/news/blog/2011/feb/06/egypt-hosni-mubarak#block-25 ...Tahrir has a system that works, it has borders that it can protect, it has its ways of feeding itself, it has ways to sleep, it has ways to bring people in and out safely. It has now become like a mini state that works and will function as long as it needs to in order to get what this country deserves.
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Post by George on Feb 8, 2011 7:42:01 GMT 10
Interesting. That's the second reference to this notion that I've seen in media reports on the Egyptian uprising this week.
Didn't Frank Zapppa once say that for a country to be considered a real country it needed at minimum, to have it's own football team and beer - or words to that effect ?
Beer might be a problem, but I'm sure Tahrir could field enough soccer teams for a fully-fledged national league.
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Post by sogoln on Feb 9, 2011 2:45:00 GMT 10
Ancient Egyptians made a fine beer according to chronicles...
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Post by George on Feb 9, 2011 6:21:19 GMT 10
I don't know about beer, but the locally-produced wine I sampled in Luxor was simply unspeakable.
And I'm no wine connoisseur.
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Post by vedistan on Mar 10, 2011 17:57:13 GMT 10
It must be called microstate like Vatican
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Post by Zandrovia on Mar 20, 2011 6:19:51 GMT 10
Since Zandrovia does not recognize the legitimacy of the protestors, I think that our position on this idea would be clear.
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Post by rogue ambassador on Mar 28, 2011 23:15:50 GMT 10
Lady Alekzandria, you don't think the protestors had legitimate grievances regarding Mubarak?
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Post by Zandrovia on Mar 29, 2011 11:36:32 GMT 10
Whether they did or did not is really irrelevant, the manner and quality of the people in question are the point. I believe in the Sovereign's Right to Rule as a general principle. Had these...people...chosen to break away and seek independence if they were so unhappy with their nation, then that may have been one thing or if they had sought proper action for LEGITIMATE reforms, but to attempt to illegally seize power from a rightful sovereign is not only unforgivable but it is a very, very dangerous game to play in this political climate as we have seen the fall out all across the Middle East. Further, the danger that these people pose to Israel, the US, and others is a matter of great concern and should not be overlooked.
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Post by rogue ambassador on Mar 29, 2011 12:05:51 GMT 10
A rightful sovereign can only rule with consent. The consent historically was divine; in the case of democracy the consent must be given by the people.
As Egypt's most recent election was rigged in Mubarak's favor, he was ruling without legitimacy and thus had no right to stay in power.
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Post by Zandrovia on Mar 29, 2011 12:15:01 GMT 10
A rightful sovereign can only rule with consent. The consent historically was divine; in the case of democracy the consent must be given by the people. As Egypt's most recent election was rigged in Mubarak's favor, he was ruling without legitimacy and thus had no right to stay in power. With all due respect, that is mere speculation at best, accusations by terrorist perhaps but as I have last heard there is not real and honest proof of such claims; after all, the same as been said about every president in the United States for the past decade or two as well. Further, since I do not believe in the supposed merits of unearned democracy, I am afraid such arguments are lost on me.
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